# Tony Snow dies. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 12, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243 "2008-07-12T15:34:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/461 "2008-07-16T15:34:18Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Great story. Thanks for sharing that. I think the world would be better off with a lot more Snows and one less Diogenese. [/QUOTE] Well, how about you? You’re smart enough, articulate, you could be Tony Snow. But I don’t think you would, I think that they could have offered you a boatload of Benjamins to defend an amoral, lying administration and you would have answered, in the words of Olaf, glad and big, “There is some shit I will not eat.” Am I wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2008, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/462 "2008-07-16T15:43:02Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Moto] Your first post in this thread. So if he didn’t deserve death (at least any more than the rest of us), why rejoice in his death and suffering and why wish a similar death on others? Never mind - I’m sure I won’t get a straight answer from you on this point. [/QUOTE] I objct to the phrasing “deserve death” because it implies that I think anything active should be done to bring that about. I simply don’t _lament_ his death. I would also not lament it if Bill O’Reilly got syphilis or Dick Cheney failed to get back in his coffin before sunrise. ---
**Author:** ![bannerrefugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@bannerrefugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bannerrefugee)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2008, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/463 "2008-07-16T16:04:17Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I objct to the phrasing “deserve death” because it implies that I think anything active should be done to bring that about. I simply don’t _lament_ his death. I would also not lament it if Bill O’Reilly got syphilis or Dick Cheney failed to get back in his coffin before sunrise. [/QUOTE] I am sorry for his family, but otherwise, it’s good riddance. Had he not gotten sick again he would have continued to be an effective advocate for a bloody useless war. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2008, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/464 "2008-07-16T16:26:36Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Dick Cheney failed to get back in his coffin before sunrise. [/QUOTE] Which is, of course, kept at an undisclosed location. ---
**Author:** ![priapus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@priapus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/priapus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2008, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/465 "2008-07-16T19:26:34Z")
I think we all deserve a little time in Hell for things we’ve done,right along side of George Wallace and Lee Atwater.They just had the time to regret their sins.A prayer for Tony Snow is a prayer for all humankind ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2008, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/466 "2008-07-16T20:45:52Z")
I don’t think this thread deserves to die, but I will not mourn its death. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2008, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/467 "2008-07-16T20:53:31Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I simply don’t _lament_ his death. I would also not lament it if Bill O’Reilly got syphilis or Dick Cheney failed to get back in his coffin before sunrise. [/QUOTE] Well, that’s a lie. > [@](#): > > I’m glad he’s dead. I’m glad it was something as painful and undignified as colon cancer and I hope he suffered. Let’s hope it’s only the beginning for Fox News shills and Bush collaborators alike. So you first said that you were happy not only that he died, but that he suffered. You also wished a similar fate on “Bush collaborators,” a set you didn’t define very well and seem to conveniently exclude people in uniforms from, and “Fox News Shills.” That’s a long way past “I simply don’t lament his death.” “Simply not lamenting” someone’s death would constitute total disinterest, not happinesss and a wish that it will befall others. You’re becoming the board’s top backtracker, one of its finest “um, I didn’t precisely mean exactly what I said, I meant this, no actually I meant this” bullshitters. Cowardice, all of it. > [@](#): > > I didn’t say he “deserved death,” but the reason I don’t feel sorry for him is not that he “followed orders,” but that he was complicit in helping those who gave the orders. You’ve got to be shitting me. What’s the difference? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2008, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/468 "2008-07-16T21:08:09Z")
[QUOTE=RickJay] So you first said that you were happy not only that he died, but that he suffered. You also wished a similar fate on “Bush collaborators,” a set you didn’t define very well and seem to conveniently exclude people in uniforms from, and “Fox News Shills.” That’s a long way past “I simply don’t lament his death.” “Simply not lamenting” someone’s death would constitute total disinterest, not happinesss and a wish that it will befall others. [/quote] I took some gratification in Snow’s death. what I object to is any implication that I want anyone to be intentionally _killed_. Your accusations of hypocrisy and backtracking are stupid and impotent. I haven’t backtracked from anything, you’re just not very good at reading for comprehension. > [@](#): > > You’ve got to be shitting me. What’s the difference? Between giving orders and following orders? You really need that explained to you? The difference, as I have already explained, is one of _knowledge_. Those taking orders in the field are operating under the assumption that what they’re being ordered to do is necessary for the defense of the US and they do not have the privilege of being able to question or ignore thos orders unless they possess knowledge (not suspicion) that they’ve been given an illegal order. They can’t be complicit without knowledge. They didn’t have it. Their civilian leadership did. If you still can’t understand why soldiers aren’t criminals then I don’t know what else to tell you. ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2008, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/469 "2008-07-16T21:13:22Z")
Tee hee! 😛 snowball’s chance in Hell ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2008, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/470 "2008-07-16T21:21:49Z")
But it’s a far cry from that to saying you take pleasure in someone’s suffering. If I were to say that Franklin Roosevelt probably earned his polio, his unending pain afterward, and his eventual death unarguably hastened from that just because he helped plan invasions in Central America and the Caribbean during the Wilson Administration - well, people on this board would probably call me a monster. Like they’re calling you. I don’t understand why you can’t see this. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2008, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/471 "2008-07-16T22:19:40Z")
Well, I said the one thing I regretted was saying I was glad he suffered. That was not literally true, just hyperbole, as is my wont. I have a tendency to go over the top. ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2008, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/472 "2008-07-16T22:26:32Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] That was not literally true, just hyperbole, as is my wont. I have a tendency to go over the top. [/QUOTE] One of more redeeming qualities in my book. I too suffer from this illness. Could you tell? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2008, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/473 "2008-07-16T22:34:40Z")
[QUOTE=Omegaman] One of more redeeming qualities in my book. I too suffer from this illness. Could you tell? [/QUOTE] I’ve noticed that you occasionally transform into Gary Busey. I don’t take it to heart. I understand it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2008, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/474 "2008-07-16T23:21:25Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Moto] …well, people on this board would probably call me a monster. Like they’re calling you… [/QUOTE] That must be that lefty bias I’ve heard so much about, how a lefty can say something rude and excessive and only get about 10 pages of shit for it. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2008, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/475 "2008-07-17T04:14:46Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] That must be that lefty bias I’ve heard so much about, how a lefty can say something rude and excessive and only get about 10 pages of shit for it. [/QUOTE] Well, in all fairness, he’s been getting it from both sides. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243.md?page=23)