# Tony Snow dies. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 12, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243 "2008-07-12T15:34:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/41 "2008-07-12T16:43:30Z")
[QUOTE=Giraffe] I think this administration has done some incredibly evil things, but this type of statement is, frankly, a bit psycho. The people who set policy and took the actions have a whole different level of responsibility than the people who supported them, whether by working for them in a lower level role or by voting/campaigning/arguing for them. The latter do hold the responsibility of aligning themselves politically with a group who caused significant harm to others, but they’re not “collaborators” and we shouldn’t wish painful deaths upon them. Doing so makes you look like a hateful lunatic. [/QUOTE] All right, I’ll give you that. But if **Cheney** kicks it, it’s happy-dance time! ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/42 "2008-07-12T16:45:17Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I I’m glad he’s dead. I’m glad it was something as painful and undignified as colon cancer and I hope he suffered. [/QUOTE] Damn **Dio** , you make me look like a girl scout. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/43 "2008-07-12T16:50:53Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Yes, you have. I can personally guarantee that. You are weary, brother, the struggle has taken its toll. Hatred constipates your _karma_, rots your soul. Time to back away. Pick wildflowers, watch a baby sleep, a little music, a little laughter. If we hate them, we _are_ them. Beware. [/QUOTE] Whom are “they”? The Bush admin? Tony Snow? Republicans in general? Evil people in general? Anyone whom would deign to defend a Republican? ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/44 "2008-07-12T16:55:43Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I didn’t like him and will not miss him. I’m glad he’s dead. I’m glad it was something as painful and undignified as colon cancer and I hope he suffered. [/QUOTE] Which makes you an asshole. What he did or didn’t do is totally irrelevant. Your attitude reflects who you are, not who Tony Snow was. It’s like the assholes who fantasize about torturing terrorists. It’s not about them; it’s about us. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/45 "2008-07-12T17:01:42Z")
[QUOTE=FoieGrasIsEvil] Whom are “they”? [/QUOTE] \Who are they. _Whom_ are _them_. \ ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/46 "2008-07-12T17:05:03Z")
Sometimes it appears we on the road to becoming Fred Phelps. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/47 "2008-07-12T17:16:14Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] …Let’s hope it’s only the beginning for Fox News shills and Bush collaborators alike. [/QUOTE] Yeah, I can hardly wait for more people with whom I disagree over policy issues to die a horrible death. The more the better. Can we arrange to watch it on YouTube? ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/48 "2008-07-12T17:17:08Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I don’t care what anybody thinks. [/QUOTE] If you don’t care what anybody thinks, why are you posting on an interactive message board? Just trying to stir shit up? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/49 "2008-07-12T17:17:26Z")
Wow, **Dio** , you’ve officially become Shodan. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/50 "2008-07-12T17:26:48Z")
[QUOTE=BobLibDem] Once you die or become seriously ill your political viewpoints shouldn’t matter any more. He was too young to die and I wish his family well. [/QUOTE] Pardon me for just saying “Ditto” to this one. Well, a “line item” ditto: I reserve the right to hold political viewpoints against somebody who had and used serious _political and military power_ in his own right. He wasn’t Goebbels, he was more spokesmodel, not a policy maker or enforcer. His death benefits nobody and settles no scores and shouldn’t bring visceral satisfaction for anybody. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/51 "2008-07-12T17:28:47Z")
[QUOTE=Giraffe] Fucking hell, what’s wrong with you? [/QUOTE] It is merely one more milestone on a career of angry trolling. **Ed** has given you the power to end this. And that, sadly, is all I’m permitted to post. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/52 "2008-07-12T17:29:41Z")
Just a few months ago, I respected Dio as a man of his convictions. To the point where I felt that he might have the courage to stand by them when he, himself, did not think he would. I am reconsidering that opinion of late. He has changed, and not for the better. What the fuck, man? Look at yourself! Do you like that person? If not, then fucking do something about it. Seriously. Go outside, exercise, something. Has something changed in your life? I’m concerned, here. Una: I sense Lib Flameout here. Do you think we should pit Dio as an intervention, since he said he’s dropping out of this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/53 "2008-07-12T17:30:41Z")
[QUOTE=Qadgop the Mercotan] Two of the great risks in life are: [ul] [li]Becoming what we pretend we are[/li][li]Becoming what we hate[/li][/ul] [/QUOTE] [Colbert]And both risks are as nothing compared to the ones posed by bears.[/Colbert] ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/54 "2008-07-12T17:31:49Z")
During the Democratic primary, lot of people seem to have suddenly learned something about Hillary that many people had seen all along. Something akin to that is happening here. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/55 "2008-07-12T17:34:51Z")
I remember the Simpsons episode where Homer is daydreaming about the bad things that could befall Flanders. First no customers come into his store, then the store closes, then he see Ned’s grave with the kids crying. Homer snaps out of it and says “Nah, that’s too much” and backs up to the store closing and being happy. That’s what Dio needs to do here. It is one thing to have political enemies, but to be glad that a 53 year old man with a family died of colon cancer? It’s trollish and jerkish and there should be a warning issued here if the mods want to be consistent with their recent activity… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/56 "2008-07-12T17:44:14Z")
It’s only trollish if he’d posting it for the sole purpose of stirring things up. Apparently, he truly believe it, and is surprised others don’t agree with him. Just because you have a strong, negative reaction to a post doesn’t mean that the poster is trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/57 "2008-07-12T17:45:57Z")
I wouldn’t have thought that Tony Snow’s death would make me sad at all. It was indirect enough, but still. Jeez. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/58 "2008-07-12T17:46:44Z")
[QUOTE=jtgain] It’s trollish and jerkish and there should be a warning issued here if the mods want to be consistent with their recent activity.. [/QUOTE] Its not trolling when you truly believe the nasty things you say. I don’t care how low your opinion of someone is, and believe me my opinion of Tony Snow is very damn low, you don’t wish pain and suffering and death on someone just because they did things you don’t agree with. The guy was an asshole, now hes dead, why should we care one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/59 "2008-07-12T17:52:01Z")
[QUOTE=jtgain] That’s what Dio needs to do here. It is one thing to have political enemies, but to be glad that a 53 year old man with a family died of colon cancer? It’s trollish and jerkish and there should be a warning issued here if the mods want to be consistent with their recent activity.. [/QUOTE] If people keep referring to what Snow defended as mere political differences, I can see why they don’t understand **Dio** ’s vitriol. But what pissed off **Dio** and lot of others was not things like bond issues and zoning disagreements. We are talking of what a large amount of people reasonable see as lies that resulted in the deaths of thousands, including women and children. Agree or disagree with **Dio** , it’s not honest to simply paint it as simple political disagreement, like a difference over bus discounts for war widows. It is in actuality as deep a moral issue as I can imagine. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/60 "2008-07-12T17:55:59Z")
[QUOTE=Revtim] We are talking of what a large amount of people reasonable see as lies that resulted in the deaths of thousands, including women and children. [/QUOTE] Amen, Brother. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243.md?page=4)