# Tony Snow dies. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 12, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243 "2008-07-12T15:34:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/121 "2008-07-12T21:38:00Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Personally, I’d prefer they happen to stumble upon the Board, and, stunned by the crystalline clarity of my reason, did the ol’ one-eighty. [/QUOTE] A truly horrible fate. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/122 "2008-07-12T21:44:09Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Do try and make this personal, if you can, it will surely improve the tone. [/QUOTE] Okay… may the same respect be shown to Dio’s family and loved ones as he has shown to those of Tony Snow. How’s that. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/123 "2008-07-12T21:48:56Z")
[QUOTE=pseudotriton ruber ruber] May I opine that I’m glad Genghis Khan is dead, the dirty, murderous bastard? [/QUOTE] Apparently he [fell from a horse.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan) I had thought it was something to do with drinking or food poisoning. Thanks for fighting ignorance. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/124 "2008-07-12T21:54:41Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] After thinking on it for a few hours; Still not sorry he’s dead. Still not aggrieved by any suffering he might have gone through. Still think he was an asshole who should be getting called on it more by the media today. Have I really, literally taken pleasure in his death? Not really. I’m basically indifferent. My reaction was partially a hyperbolic reflex against the usual media whitewashing when any villain dies. If I have any regrets about my post, it’s that I ratcheted it up so much that I didn’t leave myself any room to elevate for the real, true demons in that administration, like Cheney or Rummy or that pig, Karl Rove. Snow is no loss and merits no sympathy or regrets but seething _hatred_…nah. I should save it for the bosses. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=magellan01] A disgusting position you take, and then when showered with near unanimous opprobrium you backpedal, contort, slither shuck and jive. [/QUOTE] Post 21: check. [QUOTE=magellan01] So please, keep digging. I’d say that most other posters see this as a day any respect people—of both sides—might have had for you plummeted severely, never to be retrieved. You can’t see that right now, you think it’s just another disagreement, but you will. Eventually. And when you do, please remember that magellan01 was the one who foretold it. Okay, scumbag? [/QUOTE] Post 26: pending. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/125 "2008-07-12T22:00:09Z")
[QUOTE=Happy Lendervedder] Wow, **Dio** , you’ve officially become Shodan. [/QUOTE] Hardly. I seriously doubt that **Shodan** ever has ever said anything even _remotely_ like this, let alone often enough for it to define his character such as your characterization of **Dio** being like him would suggest. Show me a cite and I’ll retract. If you can’t, I seriously believe an apology is in order. PS - Good on ya, **Red**. I knew you had it in you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/126 "2008-07-12T22:01:54Z")
[QUOTE=pseudotriton ruber ruber] … I sure hope it was painful and lengthy,… [/QUOTE] Why? What does it gain you? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/127 "2008-07-12T22:04:34Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Should I find the thread where Dopers rejoiced over the killing of Saddam Hussein’s sons? [/QUOTE] Though I don’t remember it, I’ve no doubt it exists. Did I post in it? Did you? ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/128 "2008-07-12T22:09:47Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Should I find the thread where Dopers rejoiced over the killing of Saddam Hussein’s sons? [/quote] I already **found** the thread wherein the Reagan-is-dead bashers were pitted, and you gracefully excused yourself from being included in that bunch. Yes, it’s hard to believe. You had that grace, once. Now you wish pain upon the least of Bush’s little minions. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/129 "2008-07-12T22:10:49Z")
Once again: Republicans think Democrats have bad ideas. Democrats think Republicans are bad people. This thread is proving that adage once again. And the attitude expressed by Diogenes is not uncommon in the world - it’s exactly the attitude that led to the killing fields, the mass murder of the Kulaks and Jews, and the endless series of reprisal killing and ‘purges’ that have taken place when governments fall. Kill the leaders. Then kill the collaborators. Then kill the enablers. Then kill the people who supported them. Then when you lose power, the other side comes back and kills all of you. It’s a medieval attitude that we had hoped an enlightened populace would leave behind. Sometimes, like now, you get a reminder that we’re not that far from that kind of savagery. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/130 "2008-07-12T22:36:39Z")
Republican has nothing to do with it. **Sam**. It’s the war crimes. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/131 "2008-07-12T22:46:24Z")
[QUOTE=Sam Stone] Once again: Republicans think Democrats have bad ideas. Democrats think Republicans are bad people. [/QUOTE] I’m trying to imagine a personal, off-the-record type conversation with either Hannity or O’Reiley in which either says to me, “Frankly, Obama, Hillary and Ted, are all wonderful but misguided people.” Can’t… do… it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/132 "2008-07-12T22:46:27Z")
[QUOTE=Frank] …understand rejoicing in a painful and horrible death of someone who is simply on a different side of the political spectrum… [/QUOTE] Presumption. Snow collaborated in the deaths of thousand upon thousands of innocent people, that he was not so much duped as cooperative. That is not based on his being “simply on a different side” than me, but a harsh judgement of his actions. His opinions don’t enter into it. I judge smart people a bit more strictly than I do others, from those to whom much is given, much is expected. And I find it hard to believe that Tony Snow was too dumb too know what he was doing. And, as Eugene V. Debs is my witness, there are any number of people who are on “my side” of the political spectrum that we could do quite well without. Darth Nader, for instance. I’d be pleased if Barry Goldwater yet lived, because I liked him. That so much of the evil visited upon us has been, of late, from one political persuasion _damn sure_ ain’t my fault! I will tell you the truth, as I know it: your accusation has no foundation. Believe as you will. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/133 "2008-07-12T22:52:52Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Presumption. Snow collaborated in the deaths of thousand upon thousands of innocent people, that he was not so much duped as cooperative. That is not based on his being “simply on a different side” than me, but a harsh judgement of his actions. His opinions don’t enter into it. I judge smart people a bit more strictly than I do others, from those to whom much is given, much is expected. And I find it hard to believe that Tony Snow was too dumb too know what he was doing. [/QUOTE] I guess I don’t understand what I’m presuming. > [@DtC](#): > > I’m glad it was something as painful and undignified as colon cancer and I hope he suffered. Where’s the presumption? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/134 "2008-07-12T22:52:56Z")
> [@](#): > > Republicans think Democrats have bad ideas. > Democrats think Republicans are bad people. Anyone who’s ever listened to 5 minutes of American talk radio knows this is bollocks. A couple of weeks ago, I heard Michael Medved seriously entertaining a discussion and taking calls on whther or not Barack Obama is the antichrist. The reality is that conservatives think liberals are evil, and liberals think conservatives are stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/135 "2008-07-12T22:53:07Z")
[QUOTE=pseudotriton ruber ruber] May I opine that I’m glad Genghis Khan is dead, the dirty, murderous bastard? I don’t know how he died (actually, I don’t know that he died, but it’s a good guess)–I sure hope it was painful and lengthy, giving him plenty of agonizing time to think about all the folks he killed, and why that wasn’t a good way for him to have spent his life. How disgusting am I being? You can tell me. Just plain disgusting? Fucking disgusting? Really, over-the-top fucking disgusting? [/QUOTE] Do you really think that by not explicitly mentioning “Hitler” or “Nazis” that you’re not engaging in _de facto_ Godwinizing of this thread? Snow was a lackey. As far as I am aware, he did not sack any cities in Central Asia. Also ridiculous is **Diogenes’** implying an equivalence in the level of criminality between Tony Snow, a mouthpiece, and Uday and Qusay Hussein, a rapist/murderer and the head of Iraqi internal security forces, respectively. Perspective, people… ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/136 "2008-07-12T22:55:32Z")
[QUOTE=Fuji] Do you really think that by not explicitly mentioning “Hitler” or “Nazis” that you’re not engaging in _de facto_ Godwinizing of this thread? Snow was a lackey. As far as I am aware, he did not sack any cities in Central Asia. Also ridiculous is **Diogenes’** implying an equivalence in the level of criminality between Tony Snow, a mouthpiece, and Uday and Qusay Hussein, a rapist/murderer and the head of Iraqi internal security forces, respectively. Perspective, people… [/QUOTE] Goebbels was only a mouthpiece too. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/137 "2008-07-12T22:56:27Z")
[QUOTE=Frank] I guess I don’t understand what I’m presuming… [/QUOTE] Do I misunderstand your use of the word “simply”? I took it to mean exclusively, from no other motivation, save his political persuasion. If that’s what you meant, he has made it abundantly clear that its not true. Of course, if you know his mind better than he does, well, thats different. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/138 "2008-07-12T22:57:26Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Goebbels was only a mouthpiece too. [/QUOTE] In for a penny, in for a pound, eh? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/139 "2008-07-12T22:57:40Z")
[QUOTE=Sam Stone] Once again: Republicans think Democrats have bad ideas. Democrats think Republicans are bad people. This thread is proving that adage once again. [/QUOTE] [You might](http://www.amazon.com/Treason-Liberal-Treachery-Cold-Terrorism/dp/1400050324/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215902634&sr=8-1)[have some](http://www.federalistjournal.com/columns/orourke080700.htm)[confirmation bias.](http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.com/article.php/795/Ralph_C_Barker) ---
**Author:** ![Indistinguishable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90ced4/32.png) [@Indistinguishable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indistinguishable)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243/140 "2008-07-12T22:57:57Z")
[QUOTE=Sam Stone] Republicans think Democrats have bad ideas. Democrats think Republicans are bad people. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] The reality is that conservatives think liberals are evil, and liberals think conservatives are stupid. [/QUOTE] Maybe the reality is that conservatives/Republicans and liberals/Democrats have fairly varying views on those who disagree, running the full gamut. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tony-snow-dies/456243.md?page=8)