Too early to declare King Kong a flop?

Probably not a flop:
USA Weekend Box-Office Summary 16 December 2005 (Sunday Estimates)
**Rank Title Weekend Gross **

  1. King Kong (2005) $50.1M $66.2M
  2. The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (2005) $31.2M $113M
  3. The Family Stone (2005) $12.7M $12.7M
  4. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (2005) $5.91M $253M
  5. Syriana (2005) $5.46M $22.3M
  6. Walk the Line (2005) $3.62M $82.5M
  7. Yours, Mine and Ours (2005) $3.42M $45.1M
  8. Brokeback Mountain (2005) $2.36M $3.33M
  9. Just Friends (2005) $1.95M $29.4M
  10. Aeon Flux (2005) $1.68M $23.1M

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/s_405570.html

Brian

As of today, Kong has moved to #151 on the IMDB top 250 films. Not a bad start.

This movie still has a good 2 1/2 weeks of prime box office time to rake in the cash.

Were still in the middle of a work/school week for most people. I’d say it will rake in more cash for the week of the 25th through the 31st than it does for it’s initial 14th through 21st. People will be off of work and kids out of class and most of the country has freezing temperatures.

Oh, it’s a flop, all right.

The production budget alone was something like $200 million. That’s without advertising, print costs, and so on, whicih could easily add another hundred million. This thing needed to do $90 million Weds-Sun to even be in the running for a success. Worldwide and merchandising and so on may break it even eventually, but that is not the standard of success. It’s a big floppity flop flop.

As for a miracle next weekend, Titanic was star-driven. It was all kinds of money-attracting things King Kong isn’t. If it happens, I’ll eat my hat.

Do you want ketchup or A-1 Sauce on your fedora?

You have forgotten that DVD sales are becoming the primary source of income for films.

Kong: The Collector’s Edition™ will make a mint.
So there. :stuck_out_tongue:

You make quite a few assertions with very little in the way of facts to back them up.

Were Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet particularly big before Titanic? Looking at the IMDB, none of DiCaprio’s movies had been major popualr successes, although a lot of them had a good reception from the critics. Winslet seems to have been a bit more succesful in costume dramas, but I don’t think either of them were particularly huge draws before Titanic came along.

Not only that, nothing good ever comes out in January - that’s the equivalent of Trash Day in the movie busines. It’ll hang on to a top ten position for quite some time.

Sorry, cthiax, but the word of mouth is good and this thing has plenty of time before the DVD makes a shitload of money. This is going to win some Oscars too, though probably just for technical stuff.

No. He was in What’s Eating Gilbert Grape? and became a teen heartthrob because of Titanic; she was nobody.

I saw the thing myself last night. It’s very good, although it needed either an intermission (could’ve been sorta classy) or a shorter running time. By the end, I was having trouble concentrating because I was afraid I was doing Seinfeld-style damage to my bladder. Partly my fault, of course, but there was some And Peter Jackson is developing the habit of camera movements in space that cause dizziness. I wish he’d tone that down - I wasn’t sure how Ann didn’t puke, and I was concerned I might if it kept going. :wink:

Regarding Kate Winslett, pre-“Titanic”

She did this little thing called “Sense and Sensibility” in 1995. Got her first Oscar Nomination and won a BAFTA. Hardly a “nobody.”

But not exactly a huge box office draw. The biggest name Titanic had going for it was James Cameron and he was best known for The Terminator.

She also did Heavenly Creatures for Peter Jackson, of course - not that many people outside NZ noticed that.

Actually, they did. It wasn’t Meet the Feebles that got PJ funding for LOTR!

A little after the second weekend, Kong is at $282 mil worldwide. I’d guess it’s at or close to being in the black.

The number that’s being tossed about as the marketing budget is fifty million, so it appears that there’s a ~25 million dollar profit so far.

Leonardo DiCaprio was already a star from “Romeo and Juliet” the previous year.

Winslet was a star from “Sense and Sensibility”.

You can’t tell everything from Box Office anymore. Plenty of people in 1996 were skipping theaters entirely and discovering movies through rentals.

That seems low, do you have a cite on that? I’ve seen closer to 100 million worldwide on marketing.

Even if you’re right, it’s far too slim a profit for a movie this size. I think I did say I imagined it wouldn’t actually finish in the red worldwide; a flop doesn’t necessarily mean it makes no money at all, but that it falls very very far short of expectations - that it is a huge disappointment to investors and producers.

I promise you nobody puts a couple hundred million into a movie and then looks at a quarter of one million after a couple weeks as being a successful return.

:::pushes a hat toward cthiax:::

Want fries with that?

Did you read my post above yours? Was there some kind of miracle second weekend I missed? Has the movie suddenly doubled its profit?

Where’d the $250,000 figure come from?