# Top Ten Scientific Proofs of Creation **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 19, 2012, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231 "2012-04-19T02:09:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/81 "2012-04-19T15:55:58Z")
> [@supermegaman](#): > > look, it’s been fun and all. You are absolutely free to believe whatever you like. I would hope you would offer me the same freedom. I believe there is a loving God called Jesus Christ who loves you and wants to know you. I have a serious question for you - do you care whether the things you believe are true? Or do you simply believe them because you find them comforting? I think you’ll find that here at the Straight Dope, the people are the types who care about what’s true and less about what’s comforting. And if you do say that you care about true things, then what methods do you use to separate out things that are likely to be true, from things that don’t warrant your belief? ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/82 "2012-04-19T15:56:38Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > Has anyone ever noticed how perfectly a banana fits into a vagina? I bet it looks fascinating! Do you think they have an exhibit on that topic [here](http://creationmuseum.org/)? > > Oh, and Jason, I’m not sure the mods like it when you shill for your articles hosted on your site, while pretending to have stumbled upon it. I’m not a mod, so feel free to ignore me. How do you know who supermegaman is, and that the linked site is his? ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/83 "2012-04-19T16:01:37Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Theories are the strongest, most resilient models that science has at its disposal. We don’t see CBB drawn up to attack gravitation as “only a theory”, because the utter idiocy of such a dodge would be readily apparent. The “only a theory” bit of CBB is designed precisely to play on the lack of scientific literacy of the lay community. Nitpick: Where do people get the idea that theories have to be strong? Geocentric theory is a theory. “Luminiferous aether” is a theory. They’re false, but they’re still theories. If you have a system of internally consistent predictions and explanations for a phenomenon, you have a theory. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/84 "2012-04-19T16:02:16Z")
[QUOTE=supermegaman] oh, do tell how the universe works then? because I see a “theory” that says chemicals exploded, shot out in every direction, grouped together, reformed itself into planetoids, cooled off, grew plants and an atmosphere and life just decided to shoot forth and party! That’s AWESOME! [/QUOTE] Well, as with many things, a good place to start would be with the actual ‘theory’ being discussed, instead of your strawman. Chemicals didn’t explode. There was no ‘direction’ for it to shoot out in, initially there weren’t any planetoids that formed or grew plants and an atmosphere (the atmosphere formed first in any case), etc etc etc. You are mixing several theories together…badly…that range from cosmology to geology to biology. Each INDIVIDUAL theory doesn’t rely on the others to stand up, something else you don’t seem to grasp. I’m sure you feel that your reply here was clever, but it’s only going to be clever to someone who is a complete idiot and completely ignorant of the multiple theories your ridiculous statement here covers…again, very badly since you don’t seem to have a clue how ANY of them work or what they actually say. Perhaps if you educated yourself on just the basics it would be a more interesting discussion…though, of course, if you DID educate yourself on them then we probably wouldn’t be having this discussion, since it hinges on ignorance, and if you bothered to do even cursory reading you probably wouldn’t be making such idiotic statements. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/85 "2012-04-19T16:02:55Z")
> [@supermegaman](#): > > look, it’s been fun and all. Sigh. They always turn tail and run when you start talking about the math. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/86 "2012-04-19T16:17:37Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Nitpick: Where do people get the idea that theories have to be strong? You are ignoring the verbiage I used. The words/phrases “strongest”, and “most resilient” are relative, not absolute. Also, you have chosen things that are no longer theories, but are debunked, falsified, ex-theory. That theory is _not_ pinin, it’s passed on, that theory is no more, it has ceased to be. This is an ex-theory. > [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > If you have a system of internally consistent predictions and explanations for a phenomenon, you have a theory. No, that’s an hypothesis. A theory has to be supported by experimental and/or evidential support that has not been falsified. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/87 "2012-04-19T16:20:00Z")
> [@supermegaman](#): > > oh, do tell how the universe works then? because I see a “theory” that says chemicals exploded, shot out in every direction, grouped together, reformed itself into planetoids, cooled off, grew plants and an atmosphere and life just decided to shoot forth and party! That’s AWESOME! Pretty much, yeah. Except that of course that, not being formed yet, it’s pretty much impossible for pre-born life to “decide” to do anything. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/88 "2012-04-19T16:20:07Z")
> [@supermegaman](#): > > look, it’s been fun and all. You are absolutely free to believe whatever you like. I would hope you would offer me the same freedom. I believe there is a loving God called Jesus Christ who loves you and wants to know you. It’s nothing more fanciful than believing in a more advanced, higher-evolved being if that helps you accept it better. I think that being loved me and created me and you as well. He wants to know you. It’s really that simple. > > I didn’t start this debate to bring hatred into your afternoon. You are loved by someone greater than yourself. We are not alone in this universe. There IS a hope and a purpose to your life and I really hope you find that peace in your heart. > > Now who wants to go into a lottery pool with me? I’m buying tonight! I don’t believe there can be a conflict between Nature and the God who created and sustains it. However, I believe that there are any number of ways to mis-interpret the Holy Writ, so any interpretation that contradicts what we can observe must be an incorrect interpretation. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/89 "2012-04-19T16:21:57Z")
> [@supermegaman](#): > > I would hope you would offer me the same freedom. I believe there is a loving God called Jesus Christ who loves you and wants to know you. It’s nothing more fanciful than believing in a more advanced, higher-evolved being if that helps you accept it better. I think that being loved me and created me and you as well. He wants to know you. It’s really that simple. > > I didn’t start this debate to bring hatred into your afternoon. You are loved by someone greater than yourself. We are not alone in this universe. There IS a hope and a purpose to your life and I really hope you find that peace in your heart. Good for you, now what does this all have to do with Evolution? There is nothing about the existence of 10 million year old fossils that is contradictory to the notion that Jesus loves you. Sticking to outdated notions that contradict all of the available evidence is not the way get converts, it just distracts from your main message. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/90 "2012-04-19T16:21:58Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > **supermegaman** , I’m getting the impression that you’re not really interested in discussion here. I do hope that I am wrong and that this is not merely an addition to a certain branch of Scandanavian folklore. Please don’t imply other posters are trolling. That said: > [@supermegaman](#): > > Yeah, it’s scientists with their fingers in their ears going, “la, la, la. I don’t wanna hear nothin about a loving god! la, la, la” > [@supermegaman](#): > > “probabilistically” is that even a word? you’re argument is cute though. you’re comparing 13 cards to ten quadrillion quadrillion possible chemcial combinations. Did you think that up all by your lonesome? This is rather obnoxious, **supermegaman** , so you need to tone it down if you want to stick around and attempt an adult-style discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Twoflower](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twoflower/32/22_2.png) [@Twoflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Twoflower)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/91 "2012-04-19T16:22:51Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > I have a serious question for you - do you care whether the things you believe are true? Or do you simply believe them because you find them comforting? This. The crap about fossils and dinosaur art aren’t just untrue- they’re flat-out lies. It always amazes me how willing creationists are to lie to support their faith. I thought lying was supposed to be a sin. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/92 "2012-04-19T16:24:09Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > To be fair, I found numerous errors, mistakes and simple boneheaded bits of willful ignorance in the list, but I believe that the only lie was the Flintstones bit. Did I miss something? When there is a statement like “what good is a circulatory system without a heart or an eye without a brain” I think we can assume that whoever wrote this knew full well that examples of such things exist. Thus, strongly suggesting it is impossible in the face of contrary evidence is a lie. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/93 "2012-04-19T16:25:58Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] Please don’t imply other posters are trolling. [/QUOTE] It’s more like chumming the waters (with your own body) and causing a feeding frenzy. 😛 -XT ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/94 "2012-04-19T16:27:05Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > When there is a statement like “what good is a circulatory system without a heart or an eye without a brain” I think we can assume that whoever wrote this knew full well that examples of such things exist. Well… I’m not sure we can assume that, honestly. One of the hallmarks of Creationism is a truly startling amount of ignorance on fundamentals on up to higher concepts. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/95 "2012-04-19T16:27:37Z")
> [@supermegaman](#): > > this looked fascinating! For very low values of fascinating. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/96 "2012-04-19T16:28:47Z")
> [@XT](#): > > It’s more like chumming the waters (with your own body) and causing a feeding frenzy. 😛 > > -XT Truly, this was less fun than I was expecting should the OP return. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/97 "2012-04-19T16:29:02Z")
> [@supermegaman](#): > > look, it’s been fun and all. You are absolutely free to believe whatever you like. I would hope you would offer me the same freedom. I believe there is a loving God called Jesus Christ who loves you and wants to know you. It’s nothing more fanciful than believing in a more advanced, higher-evolved being if that helps you accept it better. I think that being loved me and created me and you as well. He wants to know you. It’s really that simple. > > I didn’t start this debate to bring hatred into your afternoon. You are loved by someone greater than yourself. We are not alone in this universe. There IS a hope and a purpose to your life and I really hope you find that peace in your heart. > > Now who wants to go into a lottery pool with me? I’m buying tonight! The odds are always against it, but one just needs a proper planet to move the odds in our favor and some chemicals needed to just be lucky just once to get the ball rolling. BTW I noticed that while others pointed out how all the items you posted are not science, it seems to me that it is important to point at the whole truth, that there are virtually no scientists using “irreducible complexity” that should be enough to realize that the source of that glurge is just being a false witness. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/98 "2012-04-19T16:44:00Z")
> [@supermegaman](#): > > look, it’s been fun and all. You are absolutely free to believe whatever you like. I would hope you would offer me the same freedom. I believe there is a loving God called Jesus Christ who loves you and wants to know you. It’s nothing more fanciful than believing in a more advanced, higher-evolved being if that helps you accept it better. I think that being loved me and created me and you as well. He wants to know you. It’s really that simple. Onward Christian Soldiers Marching through the night With the Cross of Jesus Running from the fight. Why don’t you ask someone from your church who is a bit better at arguing to come and teach us? You get an F in logic and knowledge, but an A in reinforcing the low opinion atheists have of fundamentalists. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/99 "2012-04-19T16:50:42Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > (You **do** acknowledge that the earth revolves around the sun, don’t you?) Surely it’s only fair to [teach the controversy](https://controversy.wearscience.com/design/geocentric/). ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/100 "2012-04-19T16:51:38Z")
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