# Top Ten Scientific Proofs of Creation **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 19, 2012, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231 "2012-04-19T02:09:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/141 "2012-04-20T02:10:45Z")
EVERYONE will take any conflicts over Pascal’s Wager and speculation about souls to separate threads. They do not belong in this thread. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![supermegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@supermegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/supermegaman)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/142 "2012-04-20T02:14:18Z")
I’m out. It’s been great. no really. I mean it. I’ll even pray for you. I bet that just curls your toes, huh? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/143 "2012-04-20T02:14:35Z")
> [@supermegaman](#): > > you all do understand there are more people on the planet that believe in a god and creator than there are atheists? Christianity, Islam, Hindu, all believe in some sort of creator. > > that’s an awful lot of learning you folks need to give us neanderthals! Public schoo-systems be a failing the chilrens. We goin around talkin jive about Jesus instead of learnin us somfin about monkeys and evolution. :smack: What I suspect that you fail to understand is that the majority of those religious people understand science, even while accepting a Creator, and that this include the majority of Christians. Only in the U.S. is there a specific Christian movement that denies science and even it only gets about half the Christians to go along with that denial of science. And that is even without getting into the whole issue that the numbers of people who believe something has no bearing on the truth or falsehood of the thing believed. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/144 "2012-04-20T02:18:19Z")
> [@supermegaman](#): > > I’m out. It’s been great. no really. I mean it. I’ll even pray for you. I bet that just curls your toes, huh? You know what gets me about your type of posting? You wander into a place where people do not share your beliefs, making a big deal about a “loving God,” but you can’t wait to make snide remarks and express open hostility to anyone who does not bow down and worship the idol you have created out of a misunderstanding of two chapters taken from one of your books. (Even granting that God is real and loving, you seem more interested in creating a false idol of your interpretation than you do in following any commands to love your fellow humans.) ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/145 "2012-04-20T02:18:58Z")
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**Author:** ![Blake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@Blake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blake)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/146 "2012-04-20T02:20:25Z")
Yeah, sure. this is the third time you have threatened to leave. :rolleyes: If you do come back, can you perhaps respond to a single issue in my first post? You claimed that eyes without brains were useless. Yet jellyfish have eyes, and jellyfish don’t have brains. So did your god give jellyfish useless organs for no reason? Or are you willing to admit that eyes without a brain work just fine? This is simple issue couched in simple terms. Why can’t you respond to it? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/147 "2012-04-20T02:26:10Z")
> [@supermegaman](#): > > I’m out. It’s been great. no really. I mean it. I’ll even pray for you. I bet that just curls your toes, huh? Go ahead and pray for me. It’s the least you could do. Literally. HK, the answer I usually hear trotted out to ‘solve’ a problem like Andromeda is that 6000 years ago, that light flashed into existences 6000 lightyears away from the earth, the dinosaur fossils were never live dinosaurs and a heck of a lot of rocks entered in the first act missing a lot of carbon. It’s not very satisfying and the only real motivation YECs seem to be able to ascribe to it is literally devilwork. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/148 "2012-04-20T02:36:57Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > To be fair, I found numerous errors, mistakes and simple boneheaded bits of willful ignorance in the list, but I believe that the only lie was the Flintstones bit. Did I miss something? How can you tell which are lies? The list appears to claim that dinosaurs are the earliest known fossils, which not only isn’t true, but isn’t even CLOSE to being true. ---
**Author:** ![destineal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@destineal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/destineal)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/149 "2012-04-20T02:40:30Z")
Yep, I used to know a girl who believed that dinosaur bones were a hoax because the world was only 6000 years old. I was a bit shocked because other than that, she seemed pretty intelligent and sane. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/150 "2012-04-20T02:47:48Z")
> [@Blake](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by BigAppleBucky > No one can ever prove God doesn’t exist. > > Wrong-o. > > The argument goes something like this: “I refuse to prove that I exist,” says God, “for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.” > > “But,” say Man, “the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn’t it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don’t. QED.” > > “Oh dear,” says God, “I hadn’t though of that” and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. > > Man then goes on to prove that white is black and black is white and gets himself killed at the next zebra crossing Sigh. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/151 "2012-04-20T02:48:33Z")
> [@supermegaman](#): > > And yes, to answer another post, I do believe in the standard models of physics known today. All righty then, we’ve got some common ground in talking about scientific evidence concerning the origins of the universe and of life. If you are comfortable with modern explanations of gravity, for instance, as a force that holds the earth together and keeps the solar system orbiting, you should have no problem with the part of the universe’s history that involves matter coalescing to form spherical stars and planets, because that’s just gravity plus the chemical bonding of particles that make up the matter. > [@supermegaman](#): > > I think it’s a stumbling block to “non-creationists” because again, where did those laws come from? Did EVERYTHING come from the big bang? How did something come from nothing? Time came from the big bang? Space? > > Again, it takes more blind faith to believe such nonsense than it does to believe in a creator. That’s a misunderstanding of “belief” as it applies to scientific arguments. We don’t say “I believe in this scientific hypothesis and depend upon its being true, because it’s what gives my life meaning and without it everything I think will be wrong.” Rather, we say “This hypothesis doesn’t explain everything perfectly, but it’s got more explanatory power than alternative hypotheses, and it’s the current best guess that science has come up with. So I’m provisionally accepting it as an accurate model of reality until and unless scientists discover serious flaws in it and/or discover a better, more accurate model.” We don’t know where the laws of physics “come from” in the sense that we don’t know much about what the universe was like at the earliest moments just after the Big Bang. But that’s okay: science doesn’t pretend to have found the definitive final answers to every question already. (And in terms of definite detailed scientific knowledge, of course, saying “We don’t know” isn’t really any different from saying “We postulate that a supernatural deity did it in some way that we don’t scientifically understand”. So adopting a creationist explanation wouldn’t really get us anywhere as far as actually creating a comprehensible quantitative model of reality is concerned.) We do know, though, that the Big Bang origin of the universe doesn’t require us to assume any logical impossibility like “something coming from nothing” in the philosophical sense. Yes, time and space and matter _as we know them in our universe_ did originate with the Big Bang, according to current theories. So it doesn’t really make sense to say that “before” the Big Bang there was “nothing”. We don’t have compelling reason to think that concepts like “before” or “nothing” even have any physical meaning without the Big Bang. Hope that helps (and I welcome corrections and clarifications from scientists more skilled than I at explaining the physics and cosmology involved). ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/152 "2012-04-20T02:50:34Z")
> [@destineal](#): > > Yep, I used to know a girl who believed that dinosaur bones were a hoax because the world was only 6000 years old. I was a bit shocked because other than that, she seemed pretty intelligent and sane. Never mind that shit. Was she a good lay? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/153 "2012-04-20T03:10:56Z")
> [@supermegaman](#): > > you all do understand there are more people on the planet that believe in a god and creator than there are atheists? Christianity, Islam, Hindu, all believe in some sort of creator. And? Believing in a creator doesn’t mean one exists any more than believing that the world is flat will flatten the world. > [@supermegaman](#): > > that’s an awful lot of learning you folks need to give us neanderthals! Public schoo-systems be a failing the chilrens. We goin around talkin jive about Jesus instead of learnin us somfin about monkeys and evolution. :smack: American science eduction is pretty bad, yes; and people with beliefs like yours are a major reason why. ---
**Author:** ![destineal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@destineal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/destineal)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/154 "2012-04-20T03:15:36Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Never mind that shit. Was she a good lay? I’d guess no, 'cause of the whole Christian guilt thing, but it’s not a theory I can prove. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/155 "2012-04-20T03:40:10Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > How can you tell which are lies? > > The list appears to claim that dinosaurs are the earliest known fossils, which not only isn’t true, but isn’t even CLOSE to being true. I teach physics in a small, religious town in Texas. I no longer discount the power of willful ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Windsong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b5a626/32.png) [@Windsong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Windsong)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/156 "2012-04-20T04:03:53Z")
Heh heh heh… this should be real intah-restin!! Or have they witnessed you in rare form?? > [@Gagundathar](#): > > If the OP ever deigns to return to this hive of villainy, what do you want to bet that we are all accused of not being open-minded enough and that we should explore the controversy. > > No takers? > > Come on, y’all. Don’t be fraidy-cats. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/157 "2012-04-20T05:06:31Z")
> [@supermegaman](#): > > And yes, to answer another post, I do believe in the standard models of physics known today. You can’t be a Young Earth Creationist and subscribe to “the standard models of physics” - not unless you’ve misunderstood at least one of those two things. > [@](#): > > Again, it takes more blind faith to believe such nonsense than it does to believe in a creator. It doesn’t, for whatever it’s worth. A creator always requires extra nonsense. > [@supermegaman](#): > > I’m out. It’s been great. no really. I mean it. I’ll even pray for you. I bet that just curls your toes, huh? What kind of Christian tells you he’ll pray for you just to annoy you? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/158 "2012-04-20T05:11:54Z")
Maybe he meant that it would curl our toes with near-erotic bliss? ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/159 "2012-04-20T06:01:31Z")
Anybody want to take bets that \*\*supermegaman \*\*was/is really a deep cover liberal, practicing his art? If so, I think he did a great job. Moderators: this is not an accusation of trolling. If anything, it’s a compliment of the highest form. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/160 "2012-04-20T06:07:33Z")
What the Hell? There’s ten? More than ten since these are the top ten? Imagine my skepticism. You can’t, that’s how big it is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231.md?page=9)