# Top Ten Scientific Proofs of Creation **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 19, 2012, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231 "2012-04-19T02:09:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/161 "2012-04-20T07:32:13Z")
Just found this on someone else’s website (I’m fairly sure I’m the original author) [![](https://sensuouscurmudgeon.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/creo-flow.jpg) ](https://sensuouscurmudgeon.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/creo-flow.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/163 "2012-04-20T10:11:36Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > Sigh. Quotes from British humour writers are \*always \*considered on-topic. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/164 "2012-04-20T10:11:52Z")
I’d just like to point out that the creationist movement is not limited to the US, it just enjoys preponderance there. Before the evolutionary synthesis, I suppose there was a disparate collection of theories tying scripture to the corporeal world, including Ussher’s chronology. Creationism as a movement can probably fairly be said to have emanated from the religious opposition to Darwinism, perhaps with Wilberforce or something. I’m not sure whether it survived in that form or was exported and returned, but there are currently faith schools in Britain that teach young earth creationism fairly uncritically (including a Muslim one which Professor Dawkins went to visit). They’re taught strawman caricatures of evolution in order that they have a “fair and balanced” position to refute, including one student asking why monkeys were still around if we evolved from monkeys, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/165 "2012-04-20T10:19:28Z")
> [@visio](#): > > All the things you have said is just a imagination. I am not agree with you. Who, me? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/166 "2012-04-20T11:21:22Z")
I find it sad that so many people seem to feel that “belief in a loving God” is somehow tied to “belief in this one creation story.” Every culture has origin myths, all of which are useful teaching tools, none of which need to be factual to be illustrative. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/167 "2012-04-20T12:17:36Z")
> [@supermegaman](#): > > You’re right, I do subscribe to a young earth model. I don’t know if it’s THAT young, but younger than millions of years. Now, how do I explain the light coming from stars that are so far away it would take hundreds of thousands of years just for the light to reach us? hhmmm.. I don’t know! > > You see, I’m not saying I have it all figured out. I just have faith in a God that loves me. Maybe initially during the big bang, light and matter traveled outwards faster than it does today. Belief in a loving God has nothing to do with understanding scientific theories. The Big Bang, abiogenesis and evolution could all be true without negating the possibility of a loving God existing. > [@supermegaman](#): > > that’s an awful lot of learning you folks need to give us neanderthals! Public schoo-systems be a failing the chilrens. We goin around talkin jive about Jesus instead of learnin us somfin about monkeys and evolution. :smack: That’s an…_interesting_…patois you’re using to simulate uneducated “neanderthals”. Very interesting indeed. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/168 "2012-04-20T12:21:51Z")
> [@supermegaman](#): > > this looked fascinating! [http://www.christiansentry.com/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/](http://www.christiansentry.com/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/) > > here’s the first three. Now explain to me who, or what created the place for God to exist,if God is a being there would first have to be a place where he could exist. If he wasn’t in existence then he wouldn’t exist! ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/169 "2012-04-20T12:25:24Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > Now explain to me who, or what created the place for God to exist,if God is a being there would first have to be a place where he could exist. If he wasn’t in existence then he wouldn’t exist! Did the Devil make you say that? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/170 "2012-04-20T12:26:37Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > American science eduction is pretty bad, yes; and people with beliefs like yours are a major reason why. Or is it the other way around? Idiocy is on the rise because of your bad schooling system. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/171 "2012-04-20T12:27:49Z")
> [@supermegaman](#): > > You’re right, I do subscribe to a young earth model. I don’t know if it’s THAT young, but younger than millions of years. So you don’t know the right answer, but you know which one you want to be wrong. > [@](#): > > Now, how do I explain the light coming from stars that are so far away it would take hundreds of thousands of years just for the light to reach us? hhmmm.. I don’t know! > > You see, I’m not saying I have it all figured out. I just have faith in a God that loves me. Maybe initially during the big bang, light and matter traveled outwards faster than it does today. If that were the case, then we would be watching a slow-motion replay of distant events - exactly the same as if you film something using a movie camera with film travelling at 3 feet per second, then play it back on a projector at 1.5 feet per second. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/172 "2012-04-20T12:36:36Z")
Has anyone ever noticed how lakes are fine tuned for swimming? It’s crazy - it’s like whoever made lakes knew that we’d want to swim in there. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/173 "2012-04-20T12:39:04Z")
> [@supermegaman](#): > > you all do understand there are more people on the planet that believe in a god and creator than there are atheists? Christianity, Islam, Hindu, all believe in some sort of creator. > > that’s an awful lot of learning you folks need to give us neanderthals! Public schoo-systems be a failing the chilrens. We goin around talkin jive about Jesus instead of learnin us somfin about monkeys and evolution. :smack: Not too long ago people believed the earth was the center of the universe, and the world was flat.Belief is not fact, once a belief is proven it is no longer a belief but fact. So far in over 6,000 years there is no proof of, or not of, a God. Until there is proof it is just belief and belief can come from desire, all is from some human. Everything ever written, taught, said, or thought is from a human, that is a proven fact! ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/174 "2012-04-20T12:44:27Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Did the Devil make you say that? 🙂 Since a Good loving God would not create such a monster and let it harm his children, Satan is some one’s imaginary boogie man! ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/175 "2012-04-20T12:45:19Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > I find it sad that so many people seem to feel that “belief in a loving God” is somehow tied to “belief in this one creation story.” Every culture has origin myths, all of which are useful teaching tools, none of which need to be factual to be illustrative. I agree. It’s also strange to me that these people must accept that their god uses natural processes to achieve so many other goals, but for some reason speciation is just not acceptable. They must know that lightning and thunder isn’t their god chucking bolts of electricity at whatever, but beneficial mutations and reproductive advantages is just too wild to accept. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/176 "2012-04-20T12:53:10Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > Has anyone ever noticed how lakes are fine tuned for swimming? It’s crazy - it’s like whoever made lakes knew that we’d want to swim in there. Fish have sex in them. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/177 "2012-04-20T13:00:06Z")
This has been said but others, but I hope the OP returns to explain why we can’t have a loving God _and_ a 15 billion year old universe. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/178 "2012-04-20T13:03:48Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > This has been said but others, but I hope the OP returns to explain why we can’t have a loving God _and_ a 15 billion year old universe. Because that would be cruel to the scientists who’ve painstakingly calculated the universe’s age to be 13.7\*10[sup]9[/sup] years? ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/179 "2012-04-20T13:07:17Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Did the Devil make you say that? 🙂 A loving God would not let a monster devour his children,and since Satan is invented by some human I can say no. But it would prove God is not a loving being who cares for his children. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/180 "2012-04-20T13:27:44Z")
> [@naita](#): > > Because that would be cruel to the scientists who’ve painstakingly calculated the universe’s age to be 13.7\*10[sup]9[/sup] years? Forgive my rounding error. The point is that most Christians around the world don’t have a crisis of faith when confronting cosmology or evolution. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231/181 "2012-04-20T13:40:57Z")
> [@supermegaman](#): > > You’re right, I do subscribe to a young earth model. I don’t know if it’s THAT young, but younger than millions of years. But what EVIDENCE do you have for that claim? Something written in a book? Books can make mistakes. They can be mistranslated or misinterpreted. They can contain metaphors that later readers can read as facts. You’ve got powerful evidence that the universe is much older than the Bible says it. You can look right up and SEE it with your own two eyes. You can buy a telescope and study it twelve ways to Sunday. So what are you going to believe? The truth that’s staring you right in the face, or something someone else wrote down in a book 3000 years ago? > [@](#): > > Maybe initially during the big bang, light and matter traveled outwards faster than it does today. That’s an excellent first step! That’s a hypothesis. Now the next step is to say “If this hypothesis were true, what other observations would be consistent with it? What other experiments can I do to look for evidence?” If light really traveled hundreds or thousands of times faster in the past we should be able to use observations from hundreds of different galaxies to nail down the exact speed and when it suddenly slowed down. Wow, that would be an amazing thing to discover! It would shake the very foundations of science. I strongly encourage you to follow up on this hypothesis. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/top-ten-scientific-proofs-of-creation/619231.md?page=10)