# Torture? Meh, who gives a crap? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 9, 2014, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800 "2014-12-09T22:33:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800/21 "2014-12-10T01:00:56Z")
> [@Latimera](#): > > LOL! That was my first reaction too! Join date was first thing I checked. So what is the Pit - the torture, the report on the torture, the whining on the torture, the whining by Muslims on the torture, or only whining by al Queda-supporting Muslims? Weak Pitting. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800/22 "2014-12-10T01:02:12Z")
It’s a self-pitting ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800/23 "2014-12-10T01:17:12Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > [I never thought such insults would be used to describe this guy.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#mediaviewer/File:John_McCain_official_portrait_2009.jpg) After what they did to Max Cleland, I honestly don’t put anything past them. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800/24 "2014-12-10T01:41:10Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > You are giving [del]him[/del] it much too much credit. “Piece of sub-human slime” would be more accurate. Still a bit too much credit. People like the OP aspire to become sub-human slime. > [@ddsun](#): > > Join date was first thing I checked. Me sixth, or seventh, or whatever. I didn’t count. Good job of flying beneath the radar by the OP. We just found a new source of stealth technology. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800/25 "2014-12-10T01:43:34Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > You libtards on this board are so predictable. wat ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800/26 "2014-12-10T01:52:25Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I didn’t think it possible for **Smapti** to have an evil twin. How the hell would we ever tell? ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800/27 "2014-12-10T02:05:45Z")
> [@Chetumal](#): > > Torture? Meh, who gives a crap? > [@Chetumal](#): > > . . . just couldn’t care less . . . > [@Chetumal](#): > > Whatever. Let’s face it, torture has become pather passe. So 16th century. But racism will never go out of style. (Here you go, **Chetumal** , have a cracker. You’re OK, 'cause God don’t make no junk.)🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800/28 "2014-12-10T02:09:41Z")
> [@Chetumal](#): > > How about those thousands of people who burned to death or were forced to jump from the twin towers? THAT’s torture. > > These murderous Muslim ragheads made their beds, they can lie in 'em and rot. You’re just pissed because you can’t vote for Obama again, you commie prick. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800/29 "2014-12-10T02:16:32Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Odds on when this guy will be banned? > [@bobot](#): > > You libtards on this board are so predictable. Perfectly timed. > [@Procrustus](#): > > Most people I see “whinning about it,” are not “rag head assholes,” but good old Apple pie loving Americans. Americans, yes. “Good” ones, eh…not so much. Observe: > [@Gorsnak](#): > > I think it’s usually the US that bombs buildings full of innocent civilians (usually in error, but that’s small comfort to the dead). The terrorists, generally lacking an airforce, have to resort to IEDs and flying airplanes directly into things and the like. You heard it here first, folks. They “have to” do it. No choice, I tell you! Fuckin’ terrorist sympathizer. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800/30 "2014-12-10T02:25:43Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > I was shocked to see a March rather than a December Join date. If it makes you feel any better, total of ~20 posts. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800/31 "2014-12-10T03:15:28Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > You heard it here first, folks. They “have to” do it. No choice, I tell you! > > Fuckin’ terrorist sympathizer. I’m not so great with identifying jokes in text. That _is_ one, right? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800/32 "2014-12-10T03:32:24Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Good summary of ridicioulus position of torture advocates. Say rather, the position of _revenge_ advocates. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800/33 "2014-12-10T03:43:24Z")
> [@DataX](#): > > Am I the only one that is 99% against torture - and leave the 1% open for those that think torture is ok? Not that I would torture them, but if it turned out they were - I wouldn’t lose much sleep over it. Actually, there’s this idea kicking around . . . Alan Dershowitz, noted civil rights lawyer and writer, and an Orthodox Jew, has considered the advisability of [using torture to extract critical intelligence](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz#Views_on_torture). It is relevant that he is a Jew, as it might call his impartiality into question when it comes to torturing Muslims. Dershowitz has an interesting proposal: We allow judges to issue warrants, upon probable cause, for police to do all sorts of things that would otherwise violate our rights – searches, seizures, arrests and detentions, etc. He suggests that, should the CIA or someone believe that a subject bears critical intelligence information, they should apply to a court for a _torture warrant._ Upon providing sufficient argument that it is necessary, convincing to the judge, the judge could issue such a warrant. Let the torture commence! ---
**Author:** ![actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e79b87/32.png) [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/actualliberalnotoneofthose)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800/34 "2014-12-10T03:45:03Z")
Torture is wrong, and serves no purpose. You lose. ---
**Author:** ![actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e79b87/32.png) [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/actualliberalnotoneofthose)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800/35 "2014-12-10T03:46:15Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Actually, there’s this idea kicking around . . . > > Alan Dershowitz, noted civil rights lawyer and writer, and an Orthodox Jew, has considered the advisability of [using torture to extract critical intelligence](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz#Views_on_torture). It is relevant that he is a Jew, as it might call his impartiality into question when it comes to torturing Muslims. > > Dershowitz has an interesting proposal: We allow judges to issue warrants, upon probable cause, for police to do all sorts of things that would otherwise violate our rights – searches, seizures, arrests and detentions, etc. He suggests that, should the CIA or someone believe that a subject bears critical intelligence information, they should apply to a court for a _torture warrant._ Upon providing sufficient argument that it is necessary, convincing to the judge, the judge could issue such a warrant. Let the torture commence! Cool. We all know a judge would never rubber-stamp a warrant or anything. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800/36 "2014-12-10T03:55:07Z")
> [@Chetumal](#): > > I’m not advocating torture, just couldn’t care less about these raghead assholes that are whining about it. [Moderating] **Chetumal** , this is a formal warning for the use of racial slurs. Keep this behavior up, and your posting privileges will be revoked. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800/37 "2014-12-10T04:05:36Z")
How much troll could a trolly troll troll, if a trolly troll could troll trolls? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800/38 "2014-12-10T04:08:13Z")
> [@Chetumal](#): > > How about those thousands of people who burned to death or were forced to jump from the twin towers? THAT’s torture. > > These murderous Muslim ragheads made their beds, they can lie in 'em and rot. Perhaps you’re a little confused on how the whole suicide bomber concept works. So let me point out that the terrorists who flew those planes into buildings were not around to be tortured afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800/39 "2014-12-10T04:09:41Z")
> [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](#): > > Torture is wrong, and serves no purpose. You lose. I’d go further than that and say that torture is wrong even if it does serve a purpose. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2014, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800/40 "2014-12-10T04:14:02Z")
I’ll take this argum . . . shit over “waterboarding (et al.) isn’t torture” any day. We’re actually making progress! CMC fnord! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/torture-meh-who-gives-a-crap/706800.md?page=3)