# TOS: Catspaw **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 10, 2017, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425 "2017-10-10T01:00:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425/61 "2017-10-11T19:29:46Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > Her studio hair was green! šŸ˜ƒ I could have sworn she was [ash blonde](http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x16/The_Gamesters_of_Triskelion_023.JPGhttp://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x16/The_Gamesters_of_Triskelion_023.JPG). Perhaps the TV was maladjusted that evening. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425/62 "2017-10-11T19:37:16Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I could have sworn she was [ash blonde](http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x16/The_Gamesters_of_Triskelion_023.JPGhttp://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x16/The_Gamesters_of_Triskelion_023.JPG). Perhaps the TV was maladjusted that evening. In real life (and on _ **Get Smart** _) she was a blonde. In ā€œGamesters of Triskelionā€ her hair was green: [![](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/2/23/Shahna.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090201021524&path-prefix=en) ](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/2/23/Shahna.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090201021524&path-prefix=en) ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425/63 "2017-10-11T19:41:54Z")
I see at MA that Angelique Pettyjohn was another _ **Star Trek** _/_ **Batman** _ crossover, in the episode with Roger C Carmel (along with **this guy** : [Seymour Cassel | Memory Alpha | Fandom](http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Seymour_Cassel)). ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425/64 "2017-10-12T03:57:46Z")
> [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](#): > > A quandary: it seems Korob died in the dungeon when the door fell on him, however after Kirk wrecks the transmuter and the aliens revert to their actual forms, Korob is still moving (heā€™s the one on the right [Iā€™m screwing witcha]) along with Sylvia (sheā€™s the one on the right :smack:) and they both expire shortly afterā€“I just watched a YouTube clip of it. Explain. I hadnā€™t ever occurred to me that Korob died when the door fell on him. I just figured he was seriously injured, but he managed to toss the scepter/transmuter to Kirk. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425/65 "2017-10-12T16:25:50Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > I hadnā€™t ever occurred to me that Korob died when the door fell on him. I just figured he was seriously injured, but he managed to toss the scepter/transmuter to Kirk. Yes, thereā€™s no indication Korob is dead from the door. Incapacitated, yes; dead, no. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425/66 "2017-10-12T19:03:46Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Yes, thereā€™s no indication Korob is dead from the door. Incapacitated, yes; dead, no. He looked pretty damned dead to me. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425/67 "2017-10-12T19:11:53Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > He looked pretty damned dead to me. Probably something to do with the illusion that makes an asparagus stalk look like a guy. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425/68 "2017-10-12T19:50:31Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > He looked pretty damned dead to me. How do you ā€œlookā€ dead? As opposed to unconscious? I mean, reallllllly? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425/69 "2017-10-12T20:51:55Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > How do you ā€œlookā€ dead? As opposed to unconscious? I mean, reallllllly? :dubious: The man didnā€™t just pass out; he croaked right after he gave Kirk the transmuter. A door that big crushes you, you die. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425/70 "2017-10-12T20:55:11Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Probably something to do with the illusion that makes an asparagus stalk look like a guy. Youā€™re confusing _ **Star Trek with Lost in Space** _: [![](https://i2.wp.com/www.uncleodiescollectibles.com/bruce/LiS_TGVR%201/PDVD_007.JPG) ](https://i2.wp.com/www.uncleodiescollectibles.com/bruce/LiS_TGVR%201/PDVD_007.JPG) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425/71 "2017-10-12T21:49:29Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > Youā€™re confusing _ **Star Trek with Lost in Space** _: > > [https://i2.wp.com/www.uncleodiescollectibles.com/bruce/LiS\_TGVR%201/PDVD\_007.JPG](https://i2.wp.com/www.uncleodiescollectibles.com/bruce/LiS_TGVR%201/PDVD_007.JPG) No, man, that is poison ivy. This isā€¦[blue asparagus](http://www.treknologic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/catspaw3.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2017, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425/72 "2017-10-13T01:41:42Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > The man didnā€™t just pass out; he croaked right after he gave Kirk the transmuter. > > A door that big crushes you, you die. Uh, you arenā€™t really being serious, are you?? First of all, no, you donā€™t just die because something big falls on you. Thatā€™s true even if youā€™re human to begin with. This ā€œpersonā€ isnā€™t human to start with, so who knows WHAT happens when a door lands on him. You say he ā€œcroakedā€; again, I ask by what amazing power of perception can you tell the difference between someone who dies, and someone who passes out? Did you hear a death rattle that I didnā€™t hear? Did you see a release of fluids and feces from relaxation of the sphincters I didnā€™t see? Did you have a heart monitor in view that I missed? You are WRONG in asserting he must have been dead. Therefore, there is no continuity issue here. ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2017, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425/73 "2017-10-14T00:17:11Z")
Winds shall rise, and fog descendā€¦ The most frightening part of this episode is Chekovā€™s hair!! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2017, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425/74 "2017-10-14T00:35:08Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > No, man, that is poison ivy. No, [this is Poison Ivy](https://theselvedgeyard.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/the-cramps-bikini-girls.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2017, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425/75 "2017-10-14T00:49:29Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > You are WRONG in asserting he must have been dead. Therefore, there is no continuity issue here. Here is the scene in question. And yes, he looks pretty goddamned dead to me. [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7aujPZwQp0&t=280) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2017, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425/76 "2017-10-14T01:32:38Z")
Heā€™s pininā€™. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2017, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425/77 "2017-10-14T02:02:59Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > Here is the scene in question. And yes, he looks pretty goddamned dead to me. > > [https://youtu.be/I7aujPZwQp0?t=280](https://youtu.be/I7aujPZwQp0?t=280) The illusion is dead, the asparagus stalk gets better. For a while. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2017, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425/78 "2017-10-14T02:11:34Z")
Captain Kirkā€™s log, vs. HMS Enterprize log. HMS Enterprize, 4 July, 1789. Sighted strange sail at NNE. Maneuvered to gain the weather gauge, and attacked same vessel, which proved to be the French ship Dolphin, of 28 guns, 12 pounders. Her captain surrendered after her main mast fell at the twelfth instant. A boarding party took her into port. USS Enterprise, star date 2009.12. A giant hand reached out and grabbed the saucer sectionā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2017, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425/79 "2017-10-14T02:28:12Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > Here is the scene in question. And yes, he looks pretty goddamned dead to me. > > [https://youtu.be/I7aujPZwQp0?t=280](https://youtu.be/I7aujPZwQp0?t=280) I actually think that clip makes **DSY** ā€™s point. Iā€™d actually remembered that Kirk checked to see he was dead before moving on. But he just held his shoulders. So he could have just been passed out and almost dead, even in his human form. I think they didnā€™t intend us to think he was completely dead. I donā€™t see how there could have been a previous version where he isnā€™t incapacitated, since Kirk has to be the one to decide to break the Transmuter. So I think the intention was that he was not completely dead, and so that is why they told the special effects people to do two puppets. If heā€™s dead, they could get away with only one. Show one laying down where the stone was, dead, then cut to the other over there dying. But no, they showed them both. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2017, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425/80 "2017-10-14T02:33:06Z")
Though I do notice one script idiocy: why wouldnā€™t they beam up the corpses to study? We learned a lot about life by studying things that were already dead. We studied human corpses to learn a lot of our anatomy. Put them in a container if youā€™re worried about contamination, and then take them with you. If theyā€™re falling apart, you can at least study them as they fall apart. But itā€™s more dramatic to see them die and be left behind as the crew beams up. I guess we just have to fanwank that they then sent someone down with containing equipment and then beamed them all back up. They just cut out that part, jumping straight to them leaving. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tos-catspaw/798425.md?page=5)