# toward being a free man on the land **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 24, 2013, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826 "2013-06-24T21:31:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/361 "2013-06-27T16:18:36Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > I am sorry what was the direct question. > > I don’t understand.. haha get it “understand” vs “stand under” just a little freeman humor.🙂 > No, really what was the question at hand? See posts #218, #240 and #357. Note that at no time do I bring up “new state statutes” or “jurisdictions”, so I have no idea why you even brought them up. ---
**Author:** ![marcmcroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@marcmcroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marcmcroy)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/362 "2013-06-27T16:19:39Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Oh, I enjoy camping and do a little fishing too. As a prisoner of the maritime PTB, however, I am free to fish without undue hassle, and have the option of getting in my car to go buy food if I’d prefer. I can do all this free from the sense that I may need to bug out at any point. > > Did you feed bass to your defense dog too? why yes ..of course, my mutts love it when i cook in the wild. I really am quite the field cook,thanks for asking. None of the animals were with me on this TN instance though. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/363 "2013-06-27T16:22:43Z")
I don’t get why, if this feeling of freedom is so important to you, you haven’t taken steps to find an uninhabited island and create the ideal individualistic society you crave. Or have you? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/364 "2013-06-27T16:23:33Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > why yes ..of course, my mutts love it when i cook in the wild. I really am quite the field cook,thanks for asking. None of the animals were with me on this TN instance though. That’s sweet. Back on topic-what cites will you accept in this thread when it comes to reports and statistics? Will you accept anything from the government? ---
**Author:** ![marcmcroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@marcmcroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marcmcroy)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/365 "2013-06-27T16:24:17Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You’re the one posting fantasy scenarios involving big guns, killer dogs that eat people and hidden treasures. And you are the big bad ass bone breaker taking all my shit.:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/366 "2013-06-27T16:27:22Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > And you are the big bad ass bone breaker taking all my shit.:smack: I am? Cite, please. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/367 "2013-06-27T16:28:45Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > He was born right on the county line, his natural birthright home place is two steps walking distance from the line. > The state statute was written after he was born. > Thanks for asking. So… your position is that laws cannot be amended? ---
**Author:** ![marcmcroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@marcmcroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marcmcroy)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/368 "2013-06-27T16:28:46Z")
Oh gotta go.talk later all I gotta say is \*\* peace and love \*\* btw there is room on my island…and yes we do have mangos. cya ---
**Author:** ![marcmcroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@marcmcroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marcmcroy)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/369 "2013-06-27T16:30:18Z")
my bad it must have been the other waldo oops I will get to ya on those cites though . I promise ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/370 "2013-06-27T16:30:22Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I am? Cite, please. I gather the hypothetical readily becomes real, i.e. if you ask in the hypothetical how the OP’s ideal society prevents thugs from casually taking stuff from others, you morph into a thug who wants to casually take stuff from others. It doesn’t answer the question, of course, but it may stall for time. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/371 "2013-06-27T16:33:51Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > So… your position is that laws cannot be amended? Can you imagine trying to enforce laws if a person is only subject to the law that existed at and before she or he was born? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/372 "2013-06-27T16:35:52Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I gather the hypothetical readily becomes real, i.e. if you ask in the hypothetical how the OP’s ideal society prevents thugs from casually taking stuff from others, you morph into a thug who wants to casually take stuff from others. It doesn’t answer the question, of course, but it may stall for time. But I don’t think I was the poster that brought that up in the first place, was I? ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/373 "2013-06-27T16:47:41Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > No then a common law applies there is a injured party and a victim the accusor can face the accused and point one out in court. > Now if the summons was for a speeding ticket. Who is the victim? My interpretation of this is that you think murder is okay since there is no victim to face the accused. Yet it does not square with your earlier postings that are against abortion, which you equate to murder. How do you resolve these conflicting statements? In general, do you believe there should be legal ramifications for murderers? Where does that fit into your requirements for a “victim the accusor [sic]” under your so-called common law? ---
**Author:** ![thicksantorum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@thicksantorum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thicksantorum)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/374 "2013-06-27T16:49:38Z")
Poe. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/375 "2013-06-27T16:53:34Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > But I don’t think I was the poster that brought that up in the first place, was I? This thread is no place to be posing questions on verifiable history. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/376 "2013-06-27T16:54:06Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Can you imagine trying to enforce laws if a person is only subject to the law that existed at and before she or he was born? “Okay, ladies: those of you who have already born still don’t get to vote. However, if you have babies after we pass this here Nineteenth Amendment, and they’re girls, they can vote. Isn’t that great?” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/377 "2013-06-27T16:55:06Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > Yes this is one of the defenses I read about . > Things for posting. > When a sneeech walks into a town of Star Bellied sneeches, and the PTB judge the individual sneech in that has no star as being in violation of the star bellied sneech state statute code of showing the star at all times. Why is the starless sneech bound by the code. . . . 😕 Is this your way of saying you’ve been arrested for indecent exposure? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/378 "2013-06-27T16:58:16Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > This thread is no place to be posing questions on verifiable history. If he won’t allow us to use official reports and statistics as cites, I don’t think this thread even belongs in Great Debates. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/379 "2013-06-27T16:58:30Z")
I think it’s his way of saying he read _Seuss’ Law Dictionary_. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/380 "2013-06-27T17:00:10Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > It is known not to allow jurisdiction in the first place if at all possible. To allow jurisdiction is put yourself within those legal frameworks. What makes you think you can not-allow it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826.md?page=20)