# toward being a free man on the land **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 24, 2013, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826 "2013-06-24T21:31:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![marcmcroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@marcmcroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marcmcroy)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2013, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/501 "2013-06-28T18:33:01Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Wow try to stay on topic. > What about my link to fishing rules and regulations-any comments? Let me see what was the question about your link. I have a pole there is water it has fish in it. I fish. Did I exist? yes I do who is my maker? there is a makers mark in my dna if you look. The lineage of the family. I admit the origin of my maker. as I become aware I know I AM, the same was spoken by my creator I AM Did I not exist before the birth certificate. Of course Who wrote the birth certificate? The state who owns the birth certificate? the state. Who controls the birth certificate? The state. Am I my birth certificate no, I am not. I am a man. It’s a lengthy read. If yo want codes [here](http://sedm.org/Forms/13-SelfFamilyChurchGovnce/RightToDeclStatus.pdf) cites ---
**Author:** ![marcmcroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@marcmcroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marcmcroy)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2013, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/502 "2013-06-28T18:34:31Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Holy crap. I don’t really follow most of what you’re saying, but when you start talking about courtrooms, it’s painfully obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about. > > Those are all words, but you’ve put them together in a way that makes no sense. > > I’ve been in state and federal courtrooms in over 20 states. I’ve never seen a bible in court. Things don’t need to be “sworn on,” they are “sworn to.” As in “I swear to or affirm to tell the truth.” I have only been in court twice and both times swore on the bible. NC courts. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2013, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/503 "2013-06-28T18:37:12Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > Will all the lemurs(or was that lemmings?) follow the leader off the ridge just because the accepted social clause says follow the leader? or will an astute individual lemming(or lemur your choice) say hey wait a min .. this can’t be a healthy choice. True the other lemmings may stampede him through and off the ridge, after he tumbles he may recognize the error of “mob rule” Such a lemming would then leave the herd just as you can leave our society if you do not want to follow. I’m glad to see that you are finally making sense. May I ask where you are going to move to? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/504 "2013-06-28T18:40:10Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > yea just like that fish owes his existence to the game warden. How old are you ? > how far back does your “enlightenment window” allow you to see. Courts are thousands upon thousands of years old, silly taxpayor Of course they are, but **no court** exists unless taxpayers fund it and **no court** has effective power unless the taxpayers fund the police, etc. (Your SC/FOTL “common-law courts” are not courts.) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/505 "2013-06-28T18:40:15Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > Let me see what was the question about your link. I have a pole there is water it has fish in it. I fish. > Did I exist? yes I do > who is my maker? there is a makers mark in my dna if you look. The lineage of the family. > I admit the origin of my maker. as I become aware I know I AM, the same was spoken by my creator I AM > > Did I not exist before the birth certificate. Of course > Who wrote the birth certificate? The state who owns the birth certificate? the state. Who controls the birth certificate? The state. Am I my birth certificate no, I am not. I am a man. > It’s a lengthy read. > > If yo want codes [here](http://sedm.org/Forms/13-SelfFamilyChurchGovnce/RightToDeclStatus.pdf) cites My cite is legally valid. Your cite is legally crap. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2013, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/506 "2013-06-28T18:48:24Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > **marc** , what is your first language? _ahem_ ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2013, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/507 "2013-06-28T18:48:41Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > Wow I may not be the only one looking at who our Commander in chief is putting into leadership roles as appointees. [Wall street Journa](http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324183204578565240705289974.html)l > > And I didn’t vote for Eric Holder either. Wait, what has that to do with the sanity/insanity of our leaders? And, you do understand, don’t you, that the common law you revere is not **natural** law and has nothing to do with “natural rights”? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/508 "2013-06-28T18:57:57Z")
Doubly puzzling, because I can’t imagine someone with the OP’s intensity and beliefs voting for _anyone_. ---
**Author:** ![Robb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Robb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robb)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2013, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/509 "2013-06-28T19:22:11Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > Let me see what was the question about your link. I have a pole there is water it has fish in it. I fish. > Did I exist? yes I do > who is my maker? there is a makers mark in my dna if you look. The lineage of the family. > I admit the origin of my maker. as I become aware I know I AM, the same was spoken by my creator I AM > > Did I not exist before the birth certificate. Of course > Who wrote the birth certificate? The state who owns the birth certificate? the state. Who controls the birth certificate? The state. Am I my birth certificate no, I am not. I am a man. > It’s a lengthy read. > > If yo want codes [here](http://sedm.org/Forms/13-SelfFamilyChurchGovnce/RightToDeclStatus.pdf) cites You really should ponder what this “4. To define the meaning of all words appearing on government forms, regardless of how the government defines them” really means. A language works because a group of people agree to follow the rules of the language, which includes agreeing to common meanings of words. You’ve taught me that the people you follow believe that the true meanings of words are secrets known to very few people. But, the people you follow are telling you that they are inventing those secret meanings. This is a philosophy based on _Alice in Wonderland._ ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2013, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/510 "2013-06-28T19:41:13Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > I have only been in court twice and both times swore on the bible. NC courts. Well, that’s NC. The practice in American courts is different. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2013, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/511 "2013-06-28T20:35:18Z")
Hell, my jury service was in _Texas_, and I never swore on a Bible. They just had us raise our hands. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2013, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/512 "2013-06-28T20:45:35Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > Hell, my jury service was in _Texas_… They just had us raise our hands. If you didn’t put your hands up, did they shoot you? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2013, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/513 "2013-06-28T20:45:44Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > Am I my birth certificate no, I am not. Who ever said you were? ---
**Author:** ![marcmcroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@marcmcroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marcmcroy)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2013, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/514 "2013-06-28T21:15:11Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > _ahem_ Language of the birds. Why do you ask?[here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_the_birds) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2013, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/515 "2013-06-28T21:26:03Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > Language of the birds. Why do you ask?[here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_the_birds) Because, going by your posts in this thread so far, your skill at expression in English is embarrassingly poor, and the results often barely coherent or completely incoherent/illucid. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2013, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/516 "2013-06-28T21:31:21Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Because, going by your posts in this thread so far, your skill at expression in English is embarrassingly poor, and the results often barely coherent or completely incoherent/illucid. But an imaginary language _would_ explain a majority of his posts, wouldn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![marcmcroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@marcmcroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marcmcroy)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2013, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/517 "2013-06-28T21:57:55Z")
Wow. just has an epiphany. The average poster here is not recognizing, my field of references, the Divine. The citizens I see as free souls and divine creatures The average person doesn’t see that umbilical cord to the creator and The Law resonates at every part of being. I don’t see the corporate identity created by birth certificates and being summoned to appear in court in person. To me that sounds like occult. You say my rights are granted by a court of law…Created by government as our overlord to keep us from doing things that are lawful but not legal… Driving a car is lawful. Doing it with out a approved license, is not legal. So is a license a priveledge to do something unlawful unless its legal. I cannot see the madness that says sign me up. Just saying ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2013, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/518 "2013-06-28T21:58:45Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > One myth deeply entrenched in our culture is that of the “Lemming Suicide Plunge” - where lemmings, apparently overcome by deep-rooted impulses, deliberately run over a cliff in their millions, to be dashed to their deaths on the rocks below, or to drown in the raging ocean. Indeed, this myth is now a metaphor for the behaviour of crowds of people who foolishly follow each other, lemming-like, regardless of the consequences. This particular myth began with a Disney movie. That’s right. Even actual lemmings don’t act the way you think. How big a metaphor do you need to get hit with before you consider maybe your beliefs are wrong? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2013, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/519 "2013-06-28T22:04:22Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > Wow. just has an epiphany. > The average poster here is not recognizing, my field of references, the Divine. > The citizens I see as free souls and divine creatures The average person doesn’t see that umbilical cord to the creator and The Law resonates at every part of being. > > I don’t see the corporate identity created by birth certificates and being summoned to appear in court in person. To me that sounds like occult. > > You say my rights are granted by a court of law..Created by government as our overlord to keep us from doing things that are lawful but not legal.. > > Driving a car is lawful. > Doing it with out a approved license, is not legal. > So is a license a priveledge to do something unlawful unless its legal. > I cannot see the madness that says sign me up. > Just saying [Read this.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=695018) ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2013, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/520 "2013-06-28T22:09:10Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > Wow. just has an epiphany. > The average poster here is not recognizing, my field of references, the Divine. > The citizens I see as free souls and divine creatures The average person doesn’t see that umbilical cord to the creator and The Law resonates at every part of being. Ummm . . . I addressed that part of your argument in one of my previous posts. If I grant that rights are bestowed by the Creator, He did not grant you any rights above what he gave all of us. If you wish to stay to yourself and respect those God-given rights of everyone else then no one would have an issue. The problem is when you presume that your God-given rights should suppress my God-given rights to liberty or defense of property. Now your position changes from WE have natural rights to YOU have natural rights and that is the issue. Let’s look at the fish you took. You contend that God gave YOU dominion over fish and beast but that is not true; he gave US (as humans) dominion over fish and beast and YOU as an individual have no more right to that fish as anyone else. In fact you have no rights to the fish if someone owns the pond and the fish therein. So there your argument fails unless you recognize that your natural rights are not superior to the natural rights we all have. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826.md?page=27)