# toward being a free man on the land **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 24, 2013, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826 "2013-06-24T21:31:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/61 "2013-06-24T23:11:10Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > How can I be accountable to state statutes that i don’t want to be party to[?] Through the use of force. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/62 "2013-06-24T23:13:13Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > Think about what will _really_ happen in a courtroom, if you try this. Maybe watch a couple youtube videos of people doing just that, and then being tazed into submission, handcuffed, and put in jail. [This one](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqZBeDW3rWY), for example. From this old thread on the matter; [Sovereign citizen tests his theories in practice; is shocked by the results](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=666038). ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/63 "2013-06-24T23:14:03Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > I saw the splc article but you know what? I dont dig them either. Spic article? Huh? ---
**Author:** ![marcmcroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@marcmcroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marcmcroy)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/64 "2013-06-24T23:14:55Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > You do realize a “free man on the land” is not obligated to be free of commas, periods, run on sentences, and random capitalization, yes? You come across as uneducated when you get sloppy like that. > If you don’t approve of abortion then don’t get one. > > I agree with those that characterize you as a freeloader. You want the benefits of civilization but you don’t want to pay for it. Grammer nazis ya’ll are funny . I hope I’m not that difficult to read though, in all honesty. not my intent. If I don’t help protect the smallest of the smallest humans, Like I would if someone killed a kitten or a puppy then I am morally bankrupt . Dont like MURDER well then don’t kill anyone .. WTF kind of statement is that? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/65 "2013-06-24T23:15:07Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > why do you keep saying law when it is statutes? Because they are laws, and declaring that they are “statutes” and don’t apply to you won’t do you any good at all with a cop or judge. ---
**Author:** ![marcmcroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@marcmcroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marcmcroy)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/66 "2013-06-24T23:16:31Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Spic article? Huh? THats an L splc SPLC SOUTHERN POLICY LAW CENTER ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/67 "2013-06-24T23:18:56Z")
If you don’t want to pay taxes, then don’t pay taxes. If you don’t want to get a building permit when you add on to your house, then don’t get a building permit. But when you go to court, arguing that you’re a freeman on the land, not a government owned corporation is not going to help. The way to change the laws is to get people to agree with you that the laws should be changed. If you just don’t want to abide by the laws, then get good at evading the cops and stop pretending that the cops will let you go if you just tell them you don’t agree with the laws. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/68 "2013-06-24T23:19:48Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > If I don’t help protect the smallest of the smallest humans Gary Coleman died in 2010. Just sayin. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/69 "2013-06-24T23:19:50Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > THats an L splc SPLC SOUTHERN POLICY LAW CENTER The confusion on the issue is why using capital letters (and that includes writing acronyms in all caps) is wise. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/70 "2013-06-24T23:23:50Z")
> [@](#): > > The movement is rooted in racism and anti-Semitism I believe this is the opening line of every SPLC article relating to something they disagree with. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/71 "2013-06-24T23:25:31Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > Lemurs (i/ˈliːmər/ lee-mər) are a clade of strepsirrhine primates endemic to the island of Madagascar. The word “lemur” derives from the word lemures (ghosts or spirits) from Roman mythology and was first used to describe a slender loris due to its nocturnal habits and _ **slow pace** _, > > Soooo you think you own your property now , thought you had a deed in trust your car is owned by the state you are the registered user > so you personally helped write the state statutes we now have under color of law. I didn’t make this up mate. To me it seems like there was a magic act performed and the free people lost their in-a LIEN- able rights I am not looking for sanctuary in the occult, the blind folks are finding their persons in the superstitions that the government has your best interests at heart. why do you keep saying law when it is statutes? Apparently freemen of the land have no use for intellectual property rights, and can steal material without duly citing their source. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/72 "2013-06-24T23:26:55Z")
**marcmcroy** , I have a good friend who hales from Puerto Rico, and I demand an apology. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/73 "2013-06-24T23:27:02Z")
Southern Poverty Law Center? ---
**Author:** ![marcmcroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@marcmcroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marcmcroy)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/74 "2013-06-24T23:27:32Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Through the use of force. and force of law does not make it law ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/75 "2013-06-24T23:31:09Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Rational Wiki section on [Freemen successes.](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land#Freeman_successes) Dude, they took over Arrakis looking all kick-ass in those stillsuits and let me tell you the Sardaukar ain’t nothing to fuck with. Oh wait, two e’s. Nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![marcmcroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@marcmcroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marcmcroy)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/76 "2013-06-24T23:31:33Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Apparently freemen of the land have no use for intellectual property rights, and can steal material without duly citing their source. Lemurs (i/ˈliːmər/ lee-mər) are a clade of strepsirrhine primates endemic to the island of Madagascar. The word “lemur” derives from the word lemures (ghosts or spirits) from Roman mythology and was first used to describe a slender loris due to its nocturnal habits and slow pace Glad I aint on of them oops [Lemur - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemur) wow lil :rolleyes: huh mate ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/77 "2013-06-24T23:33:13Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > [This one](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqZBeDW3rWY), for example. > > From this old thread on the matter; [Sovereign citizen tests his theories in practice; is shocked by the results](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=666038). That’s exactly what I was thinking of. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/78 "2013-06-24T23:33:16Z")
> [@marcmcroy](#): > > Soooo you think you own your property now , thought you had a deed in trust your car is owned by the state you are the registered user > so you personally helped write the state statutes we now have under color of law. I didn’t make this up mate. To me it seems like there was a magic act performed and the free people lost their in-a LIEN- able rights I am not looking for sanctuary in the occult, the blind folks are finding their persons in the superstitions that the government has your best interests at heart. why do you keep saying law when it is statutes? I realize that I only own my house because all the rest of you have agreed to act as though I owned my house. If tomorrow you all change your minds and decide to act as if someone else owned my house, and when I tried to open the door some cops showed up and told me that if I didn’t leave they’d arrest me, and if I resisted arrest they’d shoot me, then that’s what would happen. My only recourse would be to try to convince the rest of you all that you should act as if the house was mine, see, I’ve paid such and such money to such and such bank, here’s the piece of paper I signed, and so on and so on. And if they don’t agree with me, then I’m fucked. The cops will arrest me if I don’t leave. And they won’t listen to me when I explain that free people can’t lose their rights. Of course free people can lose their rights. You think a negro slave in Alabama in 1845 would get much traction from his owner if the slave argued that he wasn’t a slave, he was a free human being? How did this free man get turned into a slave? By a bunch of people with guns and chains and locks and whips who were willing to use force if the slave didn’t obey. A slave might try to escape, or might obey but look for any chance to subvert the system, or might throw themselves himself off a bridge, or might get a rock and sneak into the owner’s plantation house at night and smash in his skull. But a slave wouldn’t be so foolish as to think that the slavemaster would be shocked into helplessness merely because the slave refused to recognize the master’s authority. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/79 "2013-06-24T23:36:08Z")
Marc of the family Mcroy. I ask: Have you established joinder? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![marcmcroy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@marcmcroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marcmcroy)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826/80 "2013-06-24T23:36:33Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Gary Coleman died in 2010. Just sayin. yea but chandra dangi:) is my homie and ill fight to the end [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/toward-being-a-free-man-on-the-land/661826.md?page=5)