# TPC. Tiger vs Sergio **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 12, 2013, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182 "2013-05-12T22:54:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2013, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182/1 "2013-05-12T22:54:15Z")
> **[Travelers Championship 2023 - PGA TOUR Golf Leaderboard | ESPN](https://www.espn.com/golf/leaderboard)** > > Visit ESPN to view the Travelers Championship golf leaderboard with real-time scoring, player scorecards, course statistics and more This is a hoot. These guys hate each other and are fighting over first. Right now they could very easily end up in a playoff at this point. Anyone else following this? ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2013, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182/2 "2013-05-12T23:13:08Z")
What an epic collapse by Sergio. Standing on the tee at 17 tied for the lead, then dunks two in the water and takes a quadruple bogey. Then on 18 he again hits his tee shot in the water. Six over on the last two holes. I wonder how much money that cost him? ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182/3 "2013-05-12T23:21:05Z")
I’m sure he’s almost as pissed about Tiger winning as he is about himself losing. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2013, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182/4 "2013-05-12T23:46:09Z")
> [@Cubsfan](#): > > I’m sure he’s almost as pissed about Tiger winning as he is about himself losing. Without a doubt he will find a way to blame someone, most likely Tiger, for it. ---
**Author:** ![ZenBeam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/3ab097/32.png) [@ZenBeam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZenBeam)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182/5 "2013-05-13T00:19:39Z")
From the thread about Tiger mis-dropping his ball at the Masters, I thought the rule was that a ball in the water would be dropped where the ball left land. On Sergio’s second spladush, it hit land then bounced backwards into the water, but he teed off fro the start again. Couldn’t/shouldn’t he have dropped the ball over by the hole? ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182/6 "2013-05-13T00:29:22Z")
I guess a lion could beat him, though. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182/7 "2013-05-13T02:31:27Z")
> [@ZenBeam](#): > > From the thread about Tiger mis-dropping his ball at the Masters, I thought the rule was that a ball in the water would be dropped where the ball left land. On Sergio’s second spladush, it hit land then bounced backwards into the water, but he teed off fro the start again. Couldn’t/shouldn’t he have dropped the ball over by the hole? From a point where the ball last crossed the hazard - but no closer to the hole - so anything on the island would be nearer the hole. ---
**Author:** ![Manlob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Manlob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manlob)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182/8 "2013-05-13T02:45:15Z")
> [@simster](#): > > From a point where the ball last crossed the hazard - but no closer to the hole - so anything on the island would be nearer the hole. Incorrect. He could have teed off again, played from designated drop area, or dropped anywhere behind the water hazard along the line through the hole and last point of entry into the water hazard. There are additional options for laterial water hazards, but this was not a lateral hazard. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182/9 "2013-05-13T02:48:20Z")
> [@Manlob](#): > > Incorrect. He could have teed off again, played from designated drop area, or dropped anywhere behind the water hazard along the line through the hole and last point of entry into the water hazard. There are additional options for laterial water hazards, but this was not a lateral hazard. The question was about dropping on the island where the ball bounced backwards from - not what other options Sergio had - for which I agree with you - he had several other options seemingly available and he chose to tee off again (twice). Also - for this specific hole - it seems the only option is re-teeing or the drop area. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182/10 "2013-05-13T03:02:34Z")
Looked it up - [http://golftips.golfsmith.com/rules-setting-up-designated-drop-zones-near-water-hazards-golf-courses-20676.html](http://golftips.golfsmith.com/rules-setting-up-designated-drop-zones-near-water-hazards-golf-courses-20676.html) > [@](#): > > When a golfer hits a ball into a water hazard he typically proceeds under Rule 26-1 of the U.S. Golf Association’s Rules of Golf. The player drops a ball behind the hazard, no closer to the hole, keeping the point at which the ball entered the hazard between the drop area and the hole. In some cases, dropping a ball in the usual manner isn’t practicable, so designated drop zones may be established. > > \ > > **Drop Zone Area** > > The Rules of Golf do not specify the manner in which a drop zone must be configured, as the area must be set up on a case-by-case basis. For example, the famous 17th hole of the TPC Sawgrass course – home of the PGA Tour’s PLAYERS Championship – features an island green completely surrounded by water except for a narrow land bridge on the far side of the hole. The 137-yard hole includes a drop zone to the left of the tee area that’s about 60 yards from the green. > > **Not Mandatory** > > Appendix I, Part B, Section 8 of the Rules of Golf states that designated drop zones should offer “an additional relief option” to players who’ve hit into a hazard – rather than being mandatory.\*\* Players typically may either use the drop zone or play another shot from the same point as the shot that landed in the hazard. In either case, the relief will cost the player a 1-stroke penalty. For example, if a player hits a tee shot into a water hazard, her next stroke will count as her third, whether she uses a drop zone or hits a second tee shot\*\*. \ I’m sure there are some more intracacies to be debated for other hazards - but in this case - it was either re-tee OR drop zone. - nuff said ---
**Author:** ![Manlob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Manlob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manlob)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182/11 "2013-05-13T06:01:53Z")
If that was a lateral water hazard, ZenBeam’s thoughts would be correct: he could have dropped on the island (in the likely event that he could find a spot on the island within 2 club lengths of where the ball last entered the hazard that is no closer to the hole than the point of entry). The reason he could not do this is that it was not a lateral water hazard, not because anything on the island is nearer to the hole. sinster, your additional clarification is adding more misinformation: retee OR drop zone are not the only options, as I mentioned earlier (and as it says in the rules you quoted). ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182/12 "2013-05-13T14:22:31Z")
> [@Manlob](#): > > If that was a lateral water hazard, ZenBeam’s thoughts would be correct: he could have dropped on the island (in the likely event that he could find a spot on the island within 2 club lengths of where the ball last entered the hazard that is no closer to the hole than the point of entry). The reason he could not do this is that it was not a lateral water hazard, not because anything on the island is nearer to the hole. > > sinster, your additional clarification is adding more misinformation: retee OR drop zone are not the only options, as I mentioned earlier (and as it says in the rules you quoted). How is it adding mis-information? In this specific case - what were Sergio’s other options? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182/13 "2013-05-13T14:29:21Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > I guess a lion could beat him, though. That was my thought when I saw the thread title. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182/14 "2013-05-13T15:03:24Z")
Garcia is a head case. He admitted in an interview that he might not have what it takes to win a major. His hatred of Tiger is probably 60% jealousy, with the other 40% broken up between Tiger being an arrogant prick to Tigers fans and a few other things. Remember, Garcia was supposed to be as good (or almost as good) as Tiger early in his career and never lived up to it. Yesterday’s epic collapse is just another example of how Tiger Woods can beat someone by just being on the course and in contention. He gets into people’s heads. If Garcia was leading with someone else, he wouldn’t have shot for the flag and hit the water on 17. He would have tried for the center of the green and two putt, which is what just about everyone else did. Tiger may be a jerk, but Garcia is a major choke artist. I don’t understand how these guys are supposed to be world class golfers, but need complete silence to perform. Hitting a golf ball isn’t as hard as hitting a baseball, and those guys can tune out the crowd. Why can’t golfers? I hate that excuse. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182/15 "2013-05-13T15:55:46Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > Tiger may be a jerk, but Garcia is a major choke artist. I don’t understand how these guys are supposed to be world class golfers, but need complete silence to perform. Hitting a golf ball isn’t as hard as hitting a baseball, and those guys can tune out the crowd. Why can’t golfers? > > I hate that excuse. I agree entirely. Never understood the “fragility” implied by contending a camera click ruining everything. An example like Serg just serves to emphasize how incredible someone like Tiger - or even someone like Lefty, Jay Haas, vijay, etc are. The guys who are able to win 10+ times, and multiple times on the biggest stages, are truly a breed apart. I guess the announcers said it was not an easy chip from the drop area, but it was pretty amazing to see hims pull such a classic “Tin Cup.” Would like to see someone juxtapose pictures of Serg and Kevin Costner standing there with their hands out, asking for another ball. As a hacker - as painful as it was to watch, I really love to see these sorts of things, cause heaven knows I’ve been there myself. Not incompnetition for the TPC, but certainly choking down the stretch. ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182/16 "2013-05-13T16:30:33Z")
Dislike Tiger for his womanizing, but so happy he’s back to being on top in golf. Sergio was being a big 'ol pouty baby about Tiger and that affected Sergio’s game. It’s Sergio’s fault for letting Tiger in his head. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182/17 "2013-05-13T20:46:20Z")
[And now we have yet another ball drop controversy](http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-devil-ball-golf/did-tiger-woods-improper-drop-en-route-players-124525467.html). Tiger may have dropped his ball at 14 too far forward, assuming that it had hooked sharply out over the water late in its flight-video seems to show that it was more of a pull, than a hook, tho. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182/18 "2013-05-13T22:32:34Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > [And now we have yet another ball drop controversy](http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-devil-ball-golf/did-tiger-woods-improper-drop-en-route-players-124525467.html). Tiger may have dropped his ball at 14 too far forward, assuming that it had hooked sharply out over the water late in its flight-video seems to show that it was more of a pull, than a hook, tho. The video from the blimp tells us nothing about the flight path of the ball, it is all but worthless as far as making a judgement on where it crossed the hazard line. Tiger, his playing partner, and his partner’s caddy all agreed on the spot to drop, as did Mark Rolfing, who was standing behind the tee box and saw the flight of the ball. ---
**Author:** ![Alex\_from\_CB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/278dde/32.png) [@Alex\_from\_CB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alex_from_CB)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182/19 "2013-05-13T22:32:47Z")
Dear Sergio, You’re such a stupid. 3 shots in the water? No one should ever get another chance after screwing up 3 times in a row. Sincerely, Titus Young ---
**Author:** ![Alex\_from\_CB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/278dde/32.png) [@Alex\_from\_CB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alex_from_CB)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182/20 "2013-05-13T22:33:48Z")
Dear Sergio, You’re such a stupid. 3 shots in the water? No one should ever get another chance after screwing up 3 times in a row. Sincerely, Titus Young [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tpc-tiger-vs-sergio/658182.md?page=2)