# Tracy Morgan crashed his $2 million Bugatti in New York  **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 5, 2019, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067 "2019-06-05T12:06:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067/41 "2019-06-05T15:27:09Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > TMZ just said that Tracy Morgan[did not, in fact, crash his $2,000,000 car](https://www.tmz.com/2019/06/05/tracy-morgan-bugatti-crash-not-at-fault-nypd/). An NYPD officer happened to see it happen and said the CRV hit him. I use crash your car to mean it was in a accident. I don’t use that term to assign blame. The party at fault gets a traffic citation. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067/42 "2019-06-05T15:28:32Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > They haven’t assigned fault yet. They have. > [@](#): > > I’ve speculated based on TMZ’s photos but was careful to point out it’s not clear which vehicle violated their lane. No, you didn’t point out who violated their lane, but "Tracy Morgan crashed his $2 million Bugatti " isn’t speculation. It’s stated as if it’s fact and reads as if it’s Tracy’s fault. You also made statements such as “the Bugatti was needlessly hugging the white line”, “He swung in way too tight on the turn”, “He’d definitely wreck” (regarding Tracy driving in LR), “Tracy turned too tight”. These aren’t things someone says when they’re unbiased, speculating or want to leave some ambiguity about what happened. These are things one says when they’re assigning blame and providing evidence to back up their claim. And saying that someone driving in typical traffic for the area is “about as stupid as you can get.” doesn’t help much either. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067/43 "2019-06-05T15:30:38Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I use crash your car to mean it was in a accident. I don’t use that term to assign blame. Then say it that way. “John crashed his car” comes off very differently than “John got hit by a car” or “John got into a car accident”. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067/44 "2019-06-05T15:33:21Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > It depends on your policy. I think the minimum required is 50k in liability. I think that is also supposed to cover medical expenses. But I can’t say for sure. Well, I wasn’t asking so much about whether your policy would protect you, I was asking about the degree of liability in the first place. You can do a _reductio ad absurdum_. What if a billionaire is driving a car on the public roads with custom paintwork by David Hockney, valued at $100 million. A simple fender bender causes damage estimated at $10 million. At what point is the value of a car so ridiculous that you must bear responsibility for exposing it to risk of damage by driving it on public roads? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067/45 "2019-06-05T15:33:40Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > So, isn’t there an argument that if your car is valuable/fragile enough to sustain $100,000 damage in a fender bender, your duty to secure it implies that you should not take it on public roads? I think liability should be limited. I assume this was an accident, not drunk or reckless driving, there should be some limit to the expectation of possible damage. New York requires something like $10,000 in property damage insurance for cars. That may be too little, but perhaps the amount of required insurance should limit the liability for property damage in car accidents. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067/46 "2019-06-05T15:35:09Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I don’t use that term to assign blame. Yes you did. Repeatedly. Next time you see some gossip news, stop and think about it instead of mindless spouting off about it. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067/47 "2019-06-05T15:38:08Z")
Car crash is the most common term in my dialect. “Hey did you see that crash on the news?” There’s no blame being assigned. I don’t understand why that wasn’t a double lane turn. It looked like there were two lanes on that other road. But the people that drive that area can see the traffic signs and know the rules. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067/48 "2019-06-05T15:40:56Z")
I think it likely was still mostly her fault for not being aware of where other cars are, but looking at street view I think she was in the right lane. The problem is that there is also a shoulder area that is not marked as either a parking lane or a turn lane. I suspect that she kept going in the right lane and attempted to turn from there. He meanwhile has passed some parked cars and moved right into the ‘lane’ after the parked cars have ended in order to turn right. They then both proceed to try to turn into the same lane of the one-way st. I guess it might make a difference whether she had her turn signal on or not. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067/49 "2019-06-05T15:42:32Z")
Makes sense to me Folly. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067/50 "2019-06-05T15:42:43Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067/51 "2019-06-05T15:45:05Z")
> [@](#): > > Car crash is the most common term in my dialect. “Hey did you see that crash on the news?” You didn’t say he was in a car crash, though, you said he crashed his car. That definitely makes him the active one. Plus all the other things you said that assigned blame, as quoted by by Joey P. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067/52 "2019-06-05T15:45:11Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Car crash is the most common term in my dialect. “Hey did you see that crash on the news?” > > There’s no blame being assigned. > > I don’t understand why that wasn’t a double lane turn. It looked like there were two lanes on that other road. But the people that drive that area can see the traffic signs and know the rules. There’s an enormous difference between “he was in a car crash”, and “he crashed his car”. Because the right lane isn’t a right turn only lane. The people in the right lane can go straight, so the people in the left lane had better go straight. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067/53 "2019-06-05T15:46:38Z")
> [@Folly](#): > > I think it likely was still mostly her fault for not being aware of where other cars are, but looking at street view I think she was in the right lane. The problem is that there is also a shoulder area that is not marked as either a parking lane or a turn lane. > > I suspect that she kept going in the right lane and attempted to turn from there. He meanwhile has passed some parked cars and moved right into the ‘lane’ after the parked cars have ended in order to turn right. They then both proceed to try to turn into the same lane of the one-way st. > > I guess it might make a difference whether she had her turn signal on or not. Either/both of them might end up suing the city over this. Hope they live long enough to collect if successful. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067/54 "2019-06-05T15:47:08Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Yes you did. Repeatedly. Next time you see some gossip news, stop and think about it instead of mindless spouting off about it. If you look at post #3, I was careful to say the crashed cars’ tires weren’t visible in the photos. I thought there was a lane violation by someone. Turns out, that wasn’t a two lane access point. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067/55 "2019-06-05T15:48:26Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Because the right lane isn’t a right turn only lane. That was the only thing I was uncertain about. If the right lane _can_ legally go straight, and the left lane _cannot_ turn right, that seems to eliminate the possibility even of 50/50 liability. ETA: oh, I just saw Folly’s post. Forget that, seems like it’s more complicated. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067/56 "2019-06-05T15:50:52Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Either/both of them might end up suing the city over this. Hope they live long enough to collect if successful. Ha ha. Good one. It’s such a common type of intersection here in Chicago. Often complicated by after-thought bike lane markings. You have to be aware of what other cars are doing and generally move as far right as you safely can if you are trying to turn right. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067/57 "2019-06-05T15:53:24Z")
I’ll admit it: My first thought at hearing the news was HA-ha. But Morgan was not at fault, and considering what happened with his first accident, I image the psychological trauma will be extreme. ETA: A more accurate (and less judgmental) title would be "Morgan’s car crashed in accident. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067/58 "2019-06-05T16:01:05Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > ETA: A more accurate (and less judgmental) title would be "Morgan’s car crashed in accident. I think the car will raise the Nuremberg defense. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067/59 "2019-06-05T16:01:52Z")
Even calling it a crash is overkill. This was almost literally a fender bender, if fibre glass bended. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067/60 "2019-06-05T16:05:38Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > If you look at post #3, I was careful to say the crashed cars’ tires weren’t visible in the photos. You said that, along with four other sentences saying it was probably Tracy’s fault. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tracy-morgan-crashed-his-2-million-bugatti-in-new-york/835067.md?page=4)