# Trading Spaces 3/22, Or another Crying Pam episode
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [March 23, 2003, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487 "2003-03-23T03:07:53Z")
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### Author:  [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2003, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487/1 "2003-03-23T03:07:53Z")
Edward’s back!
When I saw the previews for this show, I was horrified that Laurie picked the one color the HO hated, brown. But as I watched, I realized I could easily have jack-slapped this woman. She was horrible to her husband, nasty to Edward, and just a general all-around bitch.
The thing about this show is _You Have No Say About What Goes On In Your Own Home_. If you want a room redone the way you want it done, hire a designer. Don’t apply to be on what is basically a game show and act all pissy because you don’t get the room you want.
I wasn’t digging the purple in Edward’s room, but I loved the draperies on the wall, how the guitars where used as artwork, and the window treatments. Very ingenious to cut up poster frames and spray paint the plastic to make Poor Man’s Stained Glass. The computer desk and the storage shelves were very nice.
Laurie’s room…I forget, in the TS Drinking Game, do we take a shot when she says, “Tone on tone?” She says it at least once an episode. I liked her hair…not quite so frizzy. The room was a nice change from the rest of the house, but I couldn’t figure out what the hole in the wall unit was, until I realized it was a big round mirror. I thought it was going to be more of a display unit with more room for shelves for knicknacks.
I’m glad Laurie couldn’t steal parts of the sectional couch from the other room…I hate it when the designers do that. Overall, I thought the brown and the russet orange and the green fit well together, but Bitch Homeowner couldn’t even open her mind one little inch to see how it all worked. She hated brown, she hated the brown and orange, she pitched a fit, she shoved and blamed her friends for the color selection (as if they have a say, which they don’t), and she stormed out. No word of appreciation for all their hard work.
Like I said, I could have jack-slapped her without one regret.
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### Author:  [@Batsinma\_Belfry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batsinma_Belfry)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2003, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487/2 "2003-03-23T03:27:18Z")
I kept wanting to scream at the t.v. … Taupe is not brown!!!
Taupe is one of the most versatile wall colors, she could’ve replaced the brown and orange accents with any other color. She’ll make her husband and friends lives a living hell until they fix it.
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### Author:  [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2003, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487/3 "2003-03-23T03:42:36Z")
What’s the difference between brown and taupe? I know Laurie called it taupe later in the show, but it looked brown to me.
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### Author:  [@js\_africanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/js_africanus)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2003, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487/4 "2003-03-23T04:02:20Z")
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> \*Originally posted by ivylass \*
> \*\*I liked her hair…not quite so frizzy. \*\*
She has _got_ to get a new lipstick color–her mouth looks like an open wound.
Other than that I must admit Laurie’s room was really nice. I’d be happy to have that room in my house, as long as it was a secondary room for reading or entertaining or getting away from people.
I have mixed feelings about the purple. Maybe I’m not a purple person… The desk Edward made was bad though. There was a file cabinet directly under the keyboard. Perhaps it was there for structural reasons, but it also meant that a person can’t sit with her legs under the desk while using the computer. Plus, he had $175 left over and couldn’t replace the stool with a chair! Tsk, tsk.
Good bonus this week. 😉
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### Author:  [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2003, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487/5 "2003-03-23T04:10:06Z")
Well, if you’re using the stool for the desk, you really don’t need a lot of legroom under the desk.
But I agree; if he had so much left over, he should have bought a chair.
I liked the purple wall and ceiling, but didn’t really care for the “stained glass” window treatment. I thought it looked kinda cheesy.
And the new Crying Pam? What is her name? Bitching Jessie? What a shrew. She complained the whole time.
And it wasn’t really brown, it was tannish on my TV. I didn’t like the orange with the brown, I’ll agree with her there, but to bitch and walk out like she did? And ream out her friends? What an ungrateful brat.
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### Author:  [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2003, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487/6 "2003-03-23T04:16:27Z")
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> \*Originally posted by ivylass \*
> \*\*What’s the difference between brown and taupe? I know Laurie called it taupe later in the show, but it looked brown to me. \*\*
I always thought taupe was a cross between brown and gray. I didn’t think it looked like taupe to me, or at least not on my old TV.
It looked like a darkish tan. Not “brown” at all. I thought it was a pretty color.
(I’m talking about the wall color; the wall unit thing was darker brown with orangey insides, right?)
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### Author:  [@Elvis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elvis)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2003, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487/7 "2003-03-23T04:17:42Z")
In the promos for this epsode, I could swear I saw the crazy brunette physically wrestling with the blonde one. But then the episode ended with her strming out…was my memory inaccurate or did they use this footage for the promo and then cut it out of the episode?
BTW, I liked both rooms and thought she overreacted immensely.
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### Author:  [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2003, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487/8 "2003-03-23T04:27:41Z")
No, **Elvis** , your memory is not inaccurate. They didn’t show the rolling around on the floor bit, but Bitchy Jessie did get some good shoves in.
Poor Paige. Just once I’d like her to smack a HO and say, “What the hell do you expect for $1000?”
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### Author:  [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2003, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487/9 "2003-03-23T04:27:46Z")
Sorry to keep posting like this…
She was such a bitch. Paige asked if she liked anything in the room, and she said no. But from the “before” shot of the room, she had a gumball machine and a cheap plastic coffe table and end tables in there! And the other HO showed that picture of her and her husband with the mullets!
Sorry, Jessie, you just have no taste!
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### Author:  [@js\_africanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/js_africanus)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2003, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487/10 "2003-03-23T04:50:42Z")
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> \*Originally posted by BiblioCat \*
> \*\*And the new Crying Pam? What is her name? Bitching Jessie? \*\*
I’m voting for The Taupe Dope.
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### Author:  [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2003, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487/11 "2003-03-23T06:05:46Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Elvis \*
> **In the promos for this epsode, I could swear I saw the crazy brunette physically wrestling with the blonde one. But then the episode ended with her strming out…was my memory inaccurate or did they use this footage for the promo and then cut it out of the episode?**
**Elvis** , as the end credits rolled they showed them wrestling around on the floor, playfully, until Paige separated them.
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### Author:  [@slice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slice)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2003, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487/12 "2003-03-23T08:17:17Z")
The first time I watched this episode tonight (at 9 p.m. EST) they did not show Bitchy Jessie attacking the poor other female HO during the credits. During the second airing (at 12 a.m. EST) they did show it in the credits.
Also of interest is that at the beginning of the show, Bitchy Jessie says that she would love to see some orange.
And I second (or third) the thoughts on Edward’s lack of desk chair.
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### Author:  [@Lsura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lsura)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2003, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487/13 "2003-03-23T13:01:20Z")
I can’t comment on her behavior during most of the show, since I got distracted and forgot that I had it on. (I’m a terrible TV watcher…I can’t just _watch_ something.)
So, only having really caught the ending, I was feeling sorry for her until I read this.
I liked Edward’s room - except for the filing cabinet under the computer. I’d either move it or bang my knees into it constantly. The stained glass things were different, and that’s part of why I like it when Edward or Kia are on - they will do something that’s not “typical” Frank or Vern or Doug (or any of the others). But that room felt like a comfortable room - a place that could be productive and easy to hang out it.
I didn’t like Laurie’s room at all. Now, I admit to not being a big fan of brown, but it wasn’t that. It was more because, when they’d pan around so you could see the rest of the house, the paint in that room was so much darker than anything else you could see - I think a lighter shade of brown would have blended better with what could be seen of the rest of the house.
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### Author:  [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2003, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487/14 "2003-03-23T14:16:18Z")
I also hate when they steal things from other rooms and call it “decorating.”
What did Laurie think the sides of that sectional were going to look like? Of course they weren’t going to be finished!
And to leave the HOs with just a few pieces of the sectional? That would have been pretty mean, even if it was for Bitchy Jessie.
And it was pretty much the same as the black leather sofas that were already in the room, so I don’t know why she wanted to take the sectional pieces, anyway.
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### Author:  [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2003, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487/15 "2003-03-23T15:03:24Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Lsura \*
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> It was more because, when they’d pan around so you could see the rest of the house, the paint in that room was so much darker than anything else you could see - I think a lighter shade of brown would have blended better with what could be seen of the rest of the house. \*\*
I think that was covered. The HO’s said they liked color, but Laurie noted the rest of the house was a checkerboard of black and white. I think she was trying to creat an oasis, since she said it was one of the smaller rooms.
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### Author:  [@Alias](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alias)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2003, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487/16 "2003-03-23T15:38:50Z")
I just realized that HO meant homeowner, and not ho. I couldn’t figure out why you were calling them both hos! Bitchy Jessie I can see, but the blonde girl wasn’t deserving of that title!!!
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### Author:  [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2003, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487/17 "2003-03-23T15:39:34Z")
Where did this show take place? Anyone know?
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2003, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487/18 "2003-03-23T15:40:24Z")
Dang, I was watching The War Show on CNN.
When will this episode of _Trading Spaces_ be shown again?
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### Author:  [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2003, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487/19 "2003-03-23T16:48:56Z")
Yeah, I turned it off, mostly because I just didn’t want to watch TV anymore.
What was the other room like?
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### Author:  [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)
#### Post date: [March 23, 2003, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trading-spaces-3-22-or-another-crying-pam-episode/163487/20 "2003-03-23T16:52:22Z")
When Jessie was kvetching to the other couple about how “I told you I hated brown! How could you!”, my wife and I kept wondering: how does telling the other homeowner your paint preferences do any good? The other homeowners don’t pick the paint. The designers pick the paint, and then show up with a complete plan built around the colour they’ve already picked…
I mean, don’t they interview the homeowner before the designers start making their plans? Wouldn’t _that_ be the time to voice concerns like “I really really really really hate brown”?
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