# Trailer for Mel Gibson's PASSION **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 13, 2003, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121 "2003-07-13T06:33:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/1 "2003-07-13T06:33:06Z")
[Here](http://www.themoviebox.net/trailers/thepassion/thepassion_tr_lo.htm) is the trailer for Mel Gibson’s movie, _Passion_ about the last 12 hours in the life of Christ. It’s all in Aramaic and Latin. I notice in the trailer that Pilate says “Ecce Homo” but pronounces it as “Et-chay Omo.” I had three years of Classical Latin in college and from what I know it should be pronounced "Ek-kay homo. Is this a mispronunciation or a different dialect (Vulgate, perhaps?) Does anybody know? The trailer also shows Jesus on the cross shouting “Eloi, Eloi” which is from Mark, but I thought this was supposed to be based on John. (“Ecce homo” is from John) Anyway it looks pretty good. It’s kind of bloody though, so beware if you don’t like to see your Saviours flayed. ---
**Author:** ![DK2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aca169/32.png) [@DK2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DK2)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/2 "2003-07-13T06:42:11Z")
I doubt Mel Gibson will be able to top The Last Temptation of Christ but I’m still willing to check the movie out and keep an open mind. The trailer was pretty good by the way so let’s hope the movie will be too. ---
**Author:** ![Muad\_Dib](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/35a633/32.png) [@Muad\_Dib](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muad_Dib)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/3 "2003-07-13T06:46:19Z")
Looks… interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/4 "2003-07-13T06:52:57Z")
Shit, I’ve been on the fence about this one until now, but that movie just shot to the top of my “Must See” list. Trailer gave me literal goosebumps. ---
**Author:** ![Lyllyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b2d939/32.png) [@Lyllyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lyllyan)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/5 "2003-07-13T06:55:04Z")
I am fairly excited about it actually. I think this is a very bold move on Mr. Gibson’s part. And I got goosebumps, too. That alone makes it a must see. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/6 "2003-07-13T07:02:19Z")
I think it’s a bold move too, and you’ve got to respect the fact that he’s throwing his whole heart into what is really a pretty anti-commercial vision. I can’t wait to see this. ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/7 "2003-07-13T07:04:51Z")
Etch-ay and many other variances are just church-Latin. C’s and g’s are soft, t’s get an s-sound sometimes – “grat-si-as ah-ji-mus” for _gratias agimus_, etc. I’ve always thought it sounded much nicer than the Classical pronunciation. I think I will see this movie. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/8 "2003-07-13T07:09:07Z")
Thanks, **masonite**. I know Mel is big on Church Latin so that’s probably why he used that pronunciation. This is going to be a treat for us Latin geeks, huh. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/9 "2003-07-13T07:24:31Z")
He’s not doing subtitles, is he? I guess I’m going to have to seriously brush up. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/10 "2003-07-13T07:39:08Z")
[quote] This is going to be a treat for us Latin geeks, huh [quote] _Certe, amicus meus. Hanc peliculam videbo, sed cogito Judaei illam oderint._. Mind you, I didn’t consult my Latin grammar book, so I may well have gotten it wrong. It definitely looks interesting, although I am willing to bet that Gibson is going to revive the “Jews killed Christ” business, given his upbringing and peculiarly conservative Tridentine views. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/11 "2003-07-13T07:47:40Z")
Mel’s a bit of a nutter, but this could be very interesting. I’ve been looking forward to seeing this. ---
**Author:** ![Dreaming\_of\_Maria\_Callas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@Dreaming\_of\_Maria\_Callas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dreaming_of_Maria_Callas)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/12 "2003-07-13T10:00:14Z")
It’s not going to be a treat for this Latin geek. The phonology of Latin (both classical and vulgar) is well known. So called Church-Latin is not what Pilate et al spoke. I was already pissed at the inattention to historical inaccuracy with the lack of Koine Greek (it would have been used between the Jews and Roman officials), this just makes the movie seem even more shoddy. As a Christian, I don’t think Jesus would like making a movie about his death with a bunch of details wrong due to laziness. UnuMondo ---
**Author:** ![Silentgoldfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/13 "2003-07-13T13:23:04Z")
Aren’t they getting the nails in hands bit wrong? I thought that crucifiction nails went through the forearms since palms are too weak. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/14 "2003-07-13T13:28:11Z")
I can only get sound. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/15 "2003-07-13T13:28:40Z")
> [@](#): > > As a Christian, I don’t think Jesus would like making a movie about his death with a bunch of details wrong due to laziness. Makes you wonder what he thought of _The Greatest Story Ever Told_. [Variety Ad]“I wouldn’t go and see it. You really had to be there” – Jesus, Bethlehem Gazette[/Variety ad] ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/16 "2003-07-13T13:43:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Silentgoldfish \* > \*\*Aren’t they getting the nails in hands bit wrong? I thought that crucifiction nails went through the forearms since palms are too weak. \*\* I noticed that too, but I thought the nails went into the wrists. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/17 "2003-07-13T13:49:16Z")
I heard he did a screening for a test group and they said the subtitles did not distract from the movie, so I think he’s going to put them in. I noticed that about the palms too. I thought Unca Cecil did a column on that? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/18 "2003-07-13T14:02:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Silentgoldfish \* > \*\*Aren’t they getting the nails in hands bit wrong? I thought that crucifiction nails went through the forearms since palms are too weak. \*\* That’s true. The one crucifixion victim whose remains have ever been recovered had the nails through the wrists. You’d think Gibson would know that or someone would have told him (same with the Latin pronunciation) but I suppose he’s going for a pure rendering of the text rather than historical accuracy. As for **UnoMondo’s** point about Greek. This would only come into play during conversations between Romans and Jews (Romans would speak Latin amongst themselves, Jews would speak Aramaic or Hebrew). In the Gospel of John this is most pertinent in the scenes with Pontius Pilate and it’s a legitimate issue. If he addresses Jesus and the high priests in Latin they won’t understand him but as a Roman he probably didn’t know Aramaic. Maybe they could resolve it with an interpreter but it would be more accurate if they spoke Greek. I would also prefer the Classical pronunciation of Latin. I’m stilll willing to give the film a chance, though. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/19 "2003-07-13T14:34:09Z")
I think the movie will be vastly improved if they cast John Cleese as a centurion. “A people called the Romanes, they go the house?” ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/20 "2003-07-13T14:54:23Z")
[**Life of Brian**] Centurion What’s this then? Romanes eunt domus? People call around marnays they go the house? Brian It…it says “Romans go home.” Centurion No, it doesn’t. Brian Aih. Centurion What’s Latin for Romans? Come on! Brian Aih! Aah! Romanus! Centurion Goes like…? Brian Anis? Centurion Vocative plural of anis is…? Brian Ani? Centurion Romani…Eunt? What is eunt? Brian “Go”! De… Centurion Conjugate the verb “go”! Brian Aah…ere, eo, is, it, imus, itis, eunt. Centurion So eunt is…? Brian Aah, ehm…third person plural present indicative. Ehm…“they go”. Centurion But “Romans go home” is an order, so you must use the…? Brian Aih! Imperative! Centurion Which is…? Brian Ehm, oh…oh, ehm…i, i! Centurion How many Romans? Brian Aah! it’s…plural, plural! Ite! Ite! Centurion Ite. Brian Aah, ah. Centurion Domus? Nominative? Brian Ah, ah? Centurion “Go home”, this is motion towards, isn’t it, boy? Brian Ehm…ehm…dative sir? Sword [Slinskt] Brian Aih! Ooh! Not dative, not the dative, sir! Nah, aah! Ooh! The…accusative! Accusative! Aah! Domum, sir! Ad domum! Aah, ooh! Centurion Except that domus takes the…? Brian Aah! The locative, sir! Aah! Centurion Which is…? Brian Domum! Aah, ah, aah… Centurion Domum…um. Understand? Brian Yes, sir! Centurion Now, write that a hundred times! Brian Yes, sir! Thank you, sir! Hail Caesar, sir! Centurion Hail Caesar! And if it’s not done by sunrise, I’ll cut your balls off. [/ **Life of Brian**] The only question is will anyone in the movie be permitted to say “Jehova?” 😃 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121.md?page=2)