# Trailer for Mel Gibson's PASSION **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 13, 2003, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121 "2003-07-13T06:33:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/41 "2003-07-14T16:54:58Z")
**Unumondo** said: > [@](#): > > As a Christian, I don’t think Jesus would like making a movie about his death with a bunch of details wrong due to laziness. Oh I think as a Christian you should know Jesus would forgive it now wouldn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![tramp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4491bb/32.png) [@tramp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tramp)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/42 "2003-07-14T19:25:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shirley Ujest \* > \*\*Does the ship sink in the end? > > An Asterroid with Bruce Willis on it blow up? > > Does Tara burn? > > Does Jesus say to Oswald, " I not like other women?" > > Don’t keep us in suspense! > > Tell US! \*\* :smack: C’mon… ATLANTA burns… TARA doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/43 "2003-07-14T19:56:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > **The one crucifixion victim whose remains have ever been recovered had the nails through the wrists. You’d think Gibson would know that or someone would have told him (same with the Latin pronunciation) but I suppose he’s going for a pure rendering of the text rather than historical accuracy.** \ But the Bible _is_ totally historically accurate! \ I’ll be seeing the movie, of course, because I see everything, but I have a side comment after viewing the trailer: What the heck is it with Mel Gibson and suffering? Seems like half the movies he’s in, he makes a point of letting his character get beat within a pint of blood to death: staggering around in _Mad Max II_ after the auto wreck, tortured in _Lethal Weapon_, crucified in _Braveheart_, and so on. Does the guy have a fetish for writhing around and screaming, or what? ---
**Author:** ![rmbnxs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b9e5f3/32.png) [@rmbnxs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rmbnxs)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/44 "2003-07-14T20:21:49Z")
_Then send out for some pillars and Cecil B. DeMille He could die happily ever after…_–Bob Dylan :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/45 "2003-07-14T21:03:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lyllyan \* > \*\*I, personally, am pleased that it is a Mel Gibson film simply because I think he treats his historical characters (fictional or otherwise) with dignity and honor, something I would not expect from, say, Roman Polanski. > \*\* I’m the opposite: I think he takes way too many liberties with historical characters. BRAVEHEART, while compelling, was almost entirely fiction (there really was a William Wallace and he really was Scottish and that’s about where it ends; THE PATRIOT made you wonder if he’d ever actually heard of the American Revolution other than as a plot device, etc.). OTOH, I think Gibson’s a tool and this may jaundice my perception. Re: historical inaccuracies- my understanding is that crucifixion victims carried the cross-bar only and that the cross poles were left stationary. (It would make a lot more sense- it takes a long time to balance and hoist a cross but not as much to hoist somebody up the beam.) Also, crucifixion victims were crucified naked. What is the significance of the snake? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/46 "2003-07-14T21:11:44Z")
> [@](#): > > What is the significance of the snake? I would have assumed it was Satan but I understand that Satan is being portrayed as a woman in this film. Make of that what you will. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/47 "2003-07-14T21:17:41Z")
I gather this one has Jesus descending into hell? Otherwise, I don’t remember Satan making a cameo in the last 12 hours (though if he did, I think he should have been cast by Jackie Mason). ---
**Author:** ![Lyllyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b2d939/32.png) [@Lyllyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lyllyan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/48 "2003-07-14T21:33:08Z")
Jackie Mason as Satan! Good choice. My god, but I hate that man. No real reason, just can not stand the guy. My first thought was Satan, also. Perhaps the snake is symbolizing sin? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/49 "2003-07-14T21:52:34Z")
I think if I were going to symbolize Satan with an animal, I’d cast either a poodle. Snakes, while icky, have some redeeming value (eating rodents, good TV shows, etc.), while poodles are just melted down concentrated evil. ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/50 "2003-07-14T22:39:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sampiro \* > \*\*What is the significance of the snake? \*\* I’m not sure how other branches choose to read Genesis 3:15, but Catholic tradition holds that: _I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel._ means the ultimate seed is Jesus, and he will be the one to crush the serpent’s evil. They claim its the earliest prophecy in the Bible. My guess is that’s what Gibson was going for in that particular scene. Or at least in the tidbit that I saw; it might mean something else once the film is viewed in its entirety. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/51 "2003-07-14T22:39:39Z")
> [@](#): > > I, personally, am pleased that it is a Mel Gibson film simply because I think he treats his historical characters (fictional or otherwise) with dignity and honor, something I would not expect from, say, Roman Polanski. Mel Gibson wouldn’t know “historical accuracy” if it bit him in the butt. Humfph! ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2003, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/52 "2003-07-15T00:27:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tramp \* > **:smack: C’mon… ATLANTA burns… TARA doesn’t.** No, the novel and the movie _Gone With the Wind_ both depict an earlier and smaller event, the burning of the Atlanta Depot, which happened two and a half months before the burning of Atlanta. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2003, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121/53 "2003-07-15T03:20:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*Mel Gibson wouldn’t know “historical accuracy” if it bit him in the butt. > > Humfph! \*\* No one said “historical accuracy.” The term used was “dignity and honor.” You could, of course, argue that historical inaccuracy is itself disrespectful. But you’d be wrong. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trailer-for-mel-gibsons-passion/188121.md?page=2)