# Train reported found in Poland with WW2 era Gold et al **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 21, 2015, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401 "2015-08-21T00:56:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2015, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401/61 "2015-08-30T21:05:53Z")
> [@robert\_columbia](#): > > Would the average person, or even a railfan, actually be able to use such a train? Obviously the first problem is going to be cleaning and refurbishing it enough for it to actually move under its own power again, but once that is done, would the owners be allowed to just bring the thing out onto the current main line and travel around in it? For example, could they call the appropriate switch stations and get cleared on to travel to wherever they wanted to, stopping and various stations to pick up and drop off their friends or even customers? How much would it cost them to park it on a siding while they are off sightseeing in Spain? Could they commute to work in it? Well, one would start with, is it on a standard gauge rail. Second, it has to be demilitarized and of course off loaded. This train, while people are assuming its a treasure train, and I am one of them, it could also be loaded with weapons and munitions for guerilla warfare. It never actually occured , but there was a plan for germans to go wolf. Had the soviets occupied the whole country, this may have come to pass. Refurbing the train, I assume it would be no more difficult than other engines and rolling stock, thats been put back into use after being musuem pieces. For bringing it on to a commerical track in Europe, I would hazard a guess that it would have to be updated with some current safety gear, and it ran on coal, so that might elicit some raised eyebrows . But hooking up a modern train to the assemblage and bringing it to Rotterdam or Hamburg , for overseas shipment would be easy enough. Train people are different, if that train can run, it will run. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2015, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401/62 "2015-08-30T21:13:33Z")
Huh. And I thought the Gary Larson cartoon about the dog spotting ‘something that really interested him’ among an armageddon setting was fictional… Nazis. Gold. Mystery. Weapons. Loot. Booby-traps. Lost artwork. And …“Oh, look, a _train_!” ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2015, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401/63 "2015-08-30T21:32:36Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > And …“Oh, look, a _train_!” For train people, thats exactly it. Declan ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2015, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401/64 "2015-08-30T22:52:15Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > Train people are different, if that train can run, it will run. > Declan And as I hinted before, narrow or standard, there are always always ways for them to be used. > **[Dollywood Express](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollywood_Express)** > > The Dollywood Express is a 3 ft (914 mm) narrow-gauge heritage railroad and amusement park attraction located in the Dollywood amusement park in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee. > It runs along a 2.5 mile loop-to-loop track from the Village to the top of the mountain Dollywood borders to the north. It is pulled by two ex-White Pass & Yukon Route 2-8-2 "Mikado" type steam locomotives, each burning five tons of coal each day. It is the oldest attraction in Dollywood, opening at the theme park "Rebel Railroa... I could see it in BonBon Land near the Dog Fart rollercoaster. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2015, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401/65 "2015-08-30T23:04:14Z")
> [@kopek](#): > > I could see it in BonBon Land near the Dog Fart rollercoaster. If its anything like their website, I don’t wanna ride that! ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401/66 "2015-08-31T16:59:47Z")
[Here’s a current story](http://www.chron.com/news/world/article/Gold-hunters-blocked-from-site-of-alleged-Nazi-6475577.php) that contains a lot of details. It makes it pretty clear that while the local government believes there is something to be found, they are relying on second-hand sources (including the GPR images) and are waiting on their own military to do investigation. And trying to keep scores of idiot gold bugs from getting killed on the train tracks. Note _yet another_ gallery of semi-attached images in the story - tunnels that are simply in the same area, and some TRAINS, by gosh! Also pretty castles. Wow. All those pictures, it MUST be true! ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401/67 "2015-09-01T02:42:37Z")
I hear there’s going to be a new Indiana Jones movie. This stuff is just the trailer. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401/68 "2015-09-01T04:04:47Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > I hear there’s going to be a new Indiana Jones movie. This stuff is just the trailer. “Indiana Jones [del]is a[/del] and the Museum Piece.”🙂 ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401/69 "2015-09-01T12:25:45Z")
Here’s a current story. Fire near the suspected location. > **[Fire engulfs suspected location of Nazi 'gold train'](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nazi-gold-train-fire-engulfs-suspected-location-of-vehicle-10480323.html)** > > The train is rumoured to contain armaments and valuables And this is my favorite part of this story. “A man taking a selfie on the tracks reportedly narrowly missed being hit, she said.” People are crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401/70 "2015-09-01T15:13:09Z")
[Bloomberg article](https://boards.straightdope.com/www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-31//www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-31/poland-backtracks-on-nazi-gold-train-find-asks-for-army-help) As usual, mixed signals are raging heavy. Who is actually back tracking, the polish feds, or the municipal poles. But still asking the army for help, does not actually sound like ordering the army to secure the site. As well as, 99 percent certain there is a train, and a huge probability that the train is boobie trapped and those traps are still active after 50 years, if explosive. Since this is sept, how long do they have to investigate, before winter sets in. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401/71 "2015-09-01T15:22:20Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > …99 percent certain there is a train… Says who, and on what evidence? > [@](#): > > …and a huge probability that the train is boobie trapped [Solution.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCUy0Z6h7xY) > [@](#): > > Since this is sept, how long do they have to investigate, before winter sets in. Can’t see that as making much difference. A relatively small entry point, with a shed or quonset built over it, and weather/temps become pretty irrelevant. I’d guess that if there IS a train, and it turns out to be going after, it will be a very slow process, probably years of UXO/archaeological effort. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401/72 "2015-09-01T15:23:58Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > [Bloomberg article](https://boards.straightdope.com/www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-31//www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-31/poland-backtracks-on-nazi-gold-train-find-asks-for-army-help) As usual, mixed signals are raging heavy. Who is actually back tracking, the polish feds, or the municipal poles. But still asking the army for help, does not actually sound like ordering the army to secure the site. As well as, 99 percent certain there is a train, and a huge probability that the train is boobie trapped and those traps are still active after 50 years, if explosive. Since this is sept, how long do they have to investigate, before winter sets in. Declan [/QUOTE] Missed the edit window Some might not want that train found, for reasons. Ya think the Russians would want the money after all those sanctions Hmm, you would think it was the other way around, that Russian would owe reparations to Poland, and not the other way. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401/73 "2015-09-01T15:47:16Z")
The only thing that that has separated this story from the speculative treasure-hunter brigade and/or “lunatic fringe” is the “99% chance” announcement by the Deputy Culture Minister. However, the mayor of Walbrzych and head of Lower Silesia region’s administration have both played down the claims. There are some geo-radar images on the Twitter account linked to previously, but they look to me to be quite clearly fake. I would have hoped that when the Deputy Culture Minister made the “99% claim” that he was doing so with the support of some independent analysis, but I’m increasingly wondering whether he’s taken the treasure-hunters’ “evidence” at face value. If the geo-radar scans that led him to his conclusion are the very same as those linked to in the Twitter account then I believe he’s been misled. ---
**Author:** ![Mk\_VII](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Mk\_VII](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mk_VII)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401/74 "2015-09-01T20:36:57Z")
I’ll be surprised if there’s anything down there, that isn’t rusty junk. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401/75 "2015-09-04T14:55:14Z")
And now the two “finders” have gone public, claiming (once again with no evidence besides that they’ve gotten the Polish military interested) that the train isn’t in a tunnel… it’s [buried](http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/men-claiming-found-nazi-train-polish-tv-33532177). To their credit, they claim they want rights to dig it up and turn it into a tourist attraction. Which of course will involve no investors, government support, or other outside money that could conceivably be… lost to history. Next week: “It’s not a train, it’s a convoy. Or something.” ---
**Author:** ![Cdz12250](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7bcc69/32.png) [@Cdz12250](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cdz12250)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401/76 "2015-09-04T17:28:18Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > “Speaking at a press briefing…Piotr Zuchowski, Poland’s National Heritage and Conservation Officer”= not hearsay. Really? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401/77 "2015-09-04T18:30:21Z")
> [@Cdz12250](#): > > Really? wiki “In law Hearsay is a testimony based on what a witness heard rather that what they witnessed personally.” He sez he saw the pictures. “He said the image - albeit blurred - showed the shape of a train platform and cannons”. Thus, not hearsay. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401/78 "2015-09-04T20:01:45Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > wiki “In law Hearsay is a testimony based on what a witness heard rather that what they witnessed personally.” > > He sez he saw the pictures. “He said the image - albeit blurred - showed the shape of a train platform and cannons”. > > Thus, not hearsay. Is this a whoosh? He says he saw pictures from an unknown and unproven source. _He says._ I call that gullibility compounded by hearsay. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401/79 "2015-09-04T21:03:32Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Is this a whoosh? > > He says he saw pictures from an unknown and unproven source. _He says._ > > I call that gullibility compounded by hearsay. He is giving testimony based upon what he actually saw. “_He says_” is NOT “hearsay.”:rolleyes: “Hearsay” is second hand testimony . it would be if the Poland’s National Heritage and Conservation Officer said “I heard from these guys that…” . \*He personally claims to have seen the picture. \*Thus _not_ hearsay. He _personally witnessed_ that picture. Really, it’s a legal term. Look it up. I even presented you with a definition. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2015, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401/80 "2015-09-04T21:17:08Z")
He is giving testimony based on _what he said he saw_. Neither he nor anyone else has shown a credible third party, or the public, any of these images. No one else has confirmed the existence of these photos, or GPR images, or anything at all - that’s the whole problem here. The entire whoop-ti-do is based on “He said that he said that he said…” That’s hearsay, purely, simply and legally. I think you’re lost in the tangle of media blather and bullshit that keeps giving credence to actions reported second hand, claims of images and photos no one has seen, and all the semi-attached pictures and videos the “news” stories keep dumping into the mix. ETA: I understand that if he had seen the train, or unambiguous image/radar data showing a verifiable train-like entity, that his comments would not be hearsay. But he is reporting only what someone else has told him, with image data of unverified provenance. _He is reporting what he was told, not anything of consequence that he actually has seen._ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/train-reported-found-in-poland-with-ww2-era-gold-et-al/728401.md?page=5)