# Traitor gets 30 months **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 5, 2007, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/traitor-gets-30-months/406857 "2007-06-05T16:10:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2007, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/traitor-gets-30-months/406857/41 "2007-06-06T21:03:36Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] Heh. I have no special insight into this case. Being a lawyer in Washington, one can’t help but follow it a little bit. [/QUOTE] So, have your lucky pants turned up, yet? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2007, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/traitor-gets-30-months/406857/42 "2007-06-06T21:08:26Z")
> [@](#): > > So, have your lucky pants turned up, yet? I want my—how much was it?—ten million dollars!!! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2007, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/traitor-gets-30-months/406857/43 "2007-06-06T21:12:05Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] I want my—how much was it?—ten million dollars!!! 😛 [/QUOTE] You need to do the little pinky-to-mouth gesture first. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2007, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/traitor-gets-30-months/406857/44 "2007-06-06T21:12:41Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] I want my—how much was it?—ten million dollars!!! 😛 [/QUOTE] Actually, I think it was something like $62 million. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2007, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/traitor-gets-30-months/406857/45 "2007-06-06T21:28:48Z")
I find that story unremittingly bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/traitor-gets-30-months/406857/46 "2007-06-08T15:51:15Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] How about this fact: If you don’t let him out on bail while he’s appealing his case, Bush is going to pardon him and the verdict and your sentence isn’t going to mean shit, your honor. 😃 [/QUOTE] The way I figure it, Bush can pardon Libby without political consequence anytime after the 2008 elections (Nov. 4, IIRC). Libby’s appeal won’t get heard until next summer, IIRC, and he can take the case to the Supreme Court if that fails (and they can presumably stall a couple of months before denying cert). And if Libby’s given the courtesy of 45-60 days to wrap up his affairs before being incarcerated, he could quite possibly avoid prison until after the election, or at least until very close to it. So if Libby’s allowed to exhaust his appeals before being imprisoned, chances are he will serve little or none of his sentence before Bush pardons him, without any political repercussions to the GOP. But if Walton sends Libby to prison this August (60 days after next week’s hearing), then either he’ll have to serve nearly 15 months of his sentence, or Bush will have to pardon Libby while the 2008 elections are still ahead of us. That’s the choice I want to see Bush have to make. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/traitor-gets-30-months/406857/47 "2007-06-09T17:04:58Z")
He has nothing to lose. C’mon. Really. Haliburton has raped America, courtesy of GW Bush and has now fled for Dubai with billions in hand. President Bush has done his part, played his role out quite well and is leaving the next Administration with a castrated husk of a government and a populace and economy in tatters. Why the hell WOULD he wait? His own party disavows him ( witness the Republican debates from last week !! ) and his family and personal fortune has been guaranteed via Dick Cheney/ Haliburton. He’s dumb enough to think nobody will be paying attention by Labor Day. I’m taking odds that he pardons ScooterPie by Sept. 15th, 2007. And, on a less engraged note, is there anything in the law that says that a sitting President is not allowed to pardon someone before the elections, or is it just considered good manners ? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/traitor-gets-30-months/406857/48 "2007-06-09T17:15:32Z")
[QUOTE=Cartooniverse] And, on a less engraged note, is there anything in the law that says that a sitting President is not allowed to pardon someone before the elections, or is it just considered good manners ? [/QUOTE] He can pardon them whenever he wants, but only for federal crimes. [Article II, Section 2, US Constitution:](http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html) > [@](#): > > Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/traitor-gets-30-months/406857/49 "2007-06-09T17:45:45Z")
Lying under oath in Federal Court is not a federal crime? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/traitor-gets-30-months/406857/50 "2007-06-09T17:50:27Z")
[QUOTE=Cartooniverse] Lying under oath in Federal Court is not a federal crime? [/QUOTE] Yes, it is. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/traitor-gets-30-months/406857/51 "2007-06-10T00:16:11Z")
I thought so. Thank you. I still call Sept. 15, 2007. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/traitor-gets-30-months/406857/52 "2007-06-10T17:31:24Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] I find that story unremittingly bizarre. [/QUOTE] [Judge has change of heart.](http://ww2.wpri.com/Global/story.asp?S=6624824) > [@](#): > > A judge in Washington, D.C., who’d been seeking 67 million dollars from a dry cleaner that lost his pants has decided that’s too much money for a pair of pants. > > He’s now asking for just 54 million. Roy Pearson first sued the cleaners over a pair of pants that they apparently lost two years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/traitor-gets-30-months/406857/53 "2007-06-10T17:36:42Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] [Judge has change of heart.](http://ww2.wpri.com/Global/story.asp?S=6624824) [/QUOTE] I think the pants already had some wear around the cuffs, so he’s giving them a 13 million dollar credit for that. Well done! Are we in the right thread? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/traitor-gets-30-months/406857.md?page=2)