# Transgender activists pressure Always to Womens symbol of feminine hygiene products **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 21, 2019, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069 "2019-10-21T03:06:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/81 "2019-10-24T10:43:41Z")
(Also, not that it’s relevant to menstrual products, but people on HRT that involves exogenous estrogen can and frequently do have “periods”. To be clear, this isn’t even some weird trans lore thing, this was discovered on post-menopausal women on HRT, which is what it was originally intended for, but has been reported (albeit not in large-scale studies) for trans women and other people on exogenous estrogen. The scale is a bit longer – it’s on average a 5 week hormonal cycle instead of a 4 week, but it includes the same general cycle and symptoms wrt libido, mood, etc, sometimes even including obnoxious, entirely functionally pointless abdominal cramping, just on a dilated time scale.) ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/82 "2019-10-24T12:49:13Z")
I don’t know how you can have a “period” without a uterus. And most transwomen don’t have a uterus. You might have other symptoms of a menstrual cycle. I wouldn’t know. ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/83 "2019-10-24T12:57:26Z")
> [@Brayne\_Ded](#): > > “Some women have prostates?” Whoever wrote this is definitely anatomically challenged. Would some kind and well informed soul enlighten me as to where this errant gland would be placed in a woman? Actually, all women have a prostate: [Female Prostate | JNCI: Journal of the National Cancer Institute | Oxford Academic](https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/90/9/713/1007768) ---
**Author:** ![Brayne\_Ded](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Brayne\_Ded](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brayne_Ded)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/84 "2019-10-24T14:45:58Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Somewhere up the buttz. > > Please, educate yourself on issues of gender even a \*little \*bit. Open an “Intro to gender studies 101” textbook, read an academic paper on the subject of gender or gender expression, Google what doctors and shrinks and anthropologists or even historians have to say and write about gender, shit even watch some bargain bin youtube vulgarization video, I don’t know, _any_thing. > > But you’re not going to be able to meaningfully contribute to this conversation from a point of smug, mean-spirited ignorance. > You can disagree with or counterpoint the arguments; quibble with the data or the conclusions derived from the data by the scientific community… but you kinda have to know what they are first before your disagreement has any merit whatsoever. Reason doesn’t run on unexamined gut feelings. Socrates told me that, so shout out to my boy Biggie S, much love. Allow yourself to doubt that you already hold all the answers and know all there is to know. It’s step one in learning anything. I see someone had an extra helping of bitch flakes this morning. The reply from mistymage was what I was looking for. I quote: "“The female homologue of the male prostate…” If I am not mistaken, a homologue is something very similar but not the same. Next time, try to find a funnier response. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/85 "2019-10-24T15:56:45Z")
> [@Brayne\_Ded](#): > > I see someone had an extra helping of bitch flakes this morning. > > The reply from mistymage was what I was looking for. I quote: "“The female homologue of the male prostate…” If I am not mistaken, a homologue is something very similar but not the same. > > Next time, try to find a funnier response. I don’t know for sure, but I’m fairly certain that Caitlyn Jenner has a prostate. ---
**Author:** ![Kovitlac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/2bfe46/32.png) [@Kovitlac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kovitlac)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/86 "2019-10-24T16:40:36Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Yeah this feels a lot like another very smart and productive shtick by the “I identify as an attack helicopter” crowd tbh. Totally possible. It’s also possible for a single person or a very small group of people to get upset over nothing and demand changes. I’m not saying this instance is one or the other, but I DO see this excuse used very frequently when, in all honestly, none of us really know for sure. I think it’s silly to insist that someone who says something ridiculous is \*always \*a troll. ---
**Author:** ![Kovitlac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/2bfe46/32.png) [@Kovitlac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kovitlac)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/87 "2019-10-24T16:45:43Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I’m trying to think of a comparable construction where you wouldn’t be insulting someone. “The police don’t hassle people, they hassle criminals.” Suggesting criminals aren’t quite human. How does that indicate criminals aren’t human? It reads like, “The police don’t hassle people [in general], they hassle criminals [in particular].” The bracketed additions are obviously implied. Sometimes, it really shouldn’t be necessary to include every little tiny wedge of context into one sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/88 "2019-10-24T16:57:50Z")
> [@Brayne\_Ded](#): > > “Some women have prostates?” Whoever wrote this is definitely anatomically challenged. Would some kind and well informed soul enlighten me as to where this errant gland would be placed in a woman? On the assumption that this is a genuine question, trans women are a subset of women, since gender identity is a mental state, not a physical one. A trans woman (born XY with the biological male sex at birth) will have a prostate that may be more or less similar to a cis man, the exact condition of the prostate dependant upon transition choices. (And, incidentally, people born XX with biological female sex at birth also have glands analogous to the prostate that are sometimes referred to as the female prostate, but I don’t think that the principal point of ignorance here.) ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/89 "2019-10-24T18:01:10Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I don’t know how you can have a “period” without a uterus. And most transwomen don’t have a uterus. You might have other symptoms of a menstrual cycle. I wouldn’t know. Hence the scare quotes around period. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/90 "2019-10-24T18:16:12Z")
> [@Brayne\_Ded](#): > > If I am not mistaken, a homologue is something very similar but not the same. Not in biology, where it has a specific technical meaning, common evolutionary ancestry. > **[Homology (biology)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homology_(biology))** > > In biology, homology is similarity due to shared ancestry between a pair of structures or genes in different taxa. A common example of homologous structures is the forelimbs of vertebrates, where the wings of bats and birds, the arms of primates, the front flippers of whales, and the forelegs of four-legged vertebrates like dogs and crocodiles are all derived from the same ancestral tetrapod structure. Evolutionary biology explains homologous structures adapted to different purposes as the resu... cf > **[Convergent evolution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolution)** > > Convergent evolution is the independent evolution of similar features in species of different periods or epochs in time. Convergent evolution creates analogous structures that have similar form or function but were not present in the last common ancestor of those groups. The cladistic term for the same phenomenon is homoplasy. The recurrent evolution of flight is a classic example, as flying insects, birds, pterosaurs, and bats have independently evolved the useful capacity of flight. Functi... I’m not sure if it’s technically correct to call the female prostate homologous or analogous, but it’s not important to the issues in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/91 "2019-10-24T19:58:13Z")
I think its part of the whole trans movement butting heads with “women”. I mean they demanded to use womens bathrooms and got it. They demanded to be able to compete in womens events and they have and their bodies have given them advantages. I’m guessing now a transman could try for a scholarship that at one time was set aside for women. So this is just part of that. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/92 "2019-10-24T20:01:53Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > It is your fault that you fell for a story from The Daily Mail. Ok, now [CBS covered it](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/always-is-removing-the-female-symbol-from-its-packaging-to-be-more-inclusive/). Fell better now? This issue was posted on Facebook and many women find it a slap in the face. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2019, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/93 "2019-10-24T21:39:37Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I think its part of the whole trans movement butting heads with “women”. > > I mean they demanded to use womens bathrooms and got it. > > They demanded to be able to compete in womens events and they have and their bodies have given them advantages. > > I’m guessing now a transman could try for a scholarship that at one time was set aside for women. > > So this is just part of that. **Urbanredneck** , there’s a question floating around ATMB as to whether you are deliberately misusing the terms transman and transwoman, or whether you are simply confused about the terms. The standard definition of transman is a person who identifies as a man, but was assigned the female sex at birth. The standard definition of transwoman is a person who identifies as a woman, but was assigned the male sex at birth. I ask because a transman trying out for a woman’s scholarship would be counter to the trans movement’s goal of recognizing transmen as men. Your previous post also implied that transwomen aren’t real men, and transmen aren’t real women, which seems backwards from what I understand of your position. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/94 "2019-10-25T03:19:29Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > **Urbanredneck** , there’s a question floating around ATMB as to whether you are deliberately misusing the terms transman and transwoman, or whether you are simply confused about the terms. > > The standard definition of transman is a person who identifies as a man, but was assigned the female sex at birth. > > The standard definition of transwoman is a person who identifies as a woman, but was assigned the male sex at birth. > > I ask because a transman trying out for a woman’s scholarship would be counter to the trans movement’s goal of recognizing transmen as men. Your previous post also implied that transwomen aren’t real men, and transmen aren’t real women, which seems backwards from what I understand of your position. > > ~Max Yes, guilty of confusion. Perhaps I’ll just say trans person since I cannot get them correct. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/95 "2019-10-25T13:06:51Z")
Or rather “will not” get them correct. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/96 "2019-10-25T13:15:40Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I think its part of the whole trans movement butting heads with “ **women** ”. > > I mean they demanded to use womens bathrooms and got it… Naw, butting heads with men’s expectations, more often. For reasons that are a little obscure to me, I know a LOT more men who give a shit about transwomen in the ladies room than I know women who care. Ladies rooms have stalls, so there really isn’t a privacy issue. And a guy who wants to rape a stranger isn’t going to be dissuaded from hanging out in the ladies room because some law restricts who is allowed to enter. I’m sure there are some women who care, but I have only met one, and I’ve met a LOT of men who are _concerned_. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/97 "2019-10-25T13:37:55Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Naw, butting heads with men’s expectations, more often. > > For reasons that are a little obscure to me, I know a LOT more men who give a shit about transwomen in the ladies room than I know women who care. Ladies rooms have stalls, so there really isn’t a privacy issue. And a guy who wants to rape a stranger isn’t going to be dissuaded from hanging out in the ladies room because some law restricts who is allowed to enter. > > I’m sure there are some women who care, but I have only met one, and I’ve met a LOT of men who are _concerned_. Check out these links. They are women, not men, airing their complaints: > **['This Was Totally A Man': Mom's Disneyland Restroom Tale Goes Viral](https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/this-was-totally-a-man-moms-disneyland-restroom-tale-goes-viral/)** > > A Los Angeles "mommy blogger" says an encounter she had with a man in a women's restroom at Disneyland has changed her political views. > **[Transgender athletes’ wins prompt girls’ discrimination complaint](https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/18/transgender-athletes-wins-prompt-girls-discriminat/)** > > Three Connecticut girls who participate on high school track teams have filed a federal discrimination complaint against a statewide policy on transgender athletes, saying it has cost them top finishes in competitions and possibly college... ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/98 "2019-10-25T13:42:16Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Check out these links. They are women, not men, airing their complaints: > > ['This Was Totally A Man': Mom's Disneyland Restroom Tale Goes Viral - CBS Los Angeles](https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/03/28/this-was-totally-a-man-moms-disneyland-restroom-tale-goes-viral/) > > [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/18/transgender-athletes-wins-prompt-girls-discriminat/](https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/18/transgender-athletes-wins-prompt-girls-discriminat/) The first one is a woman complaining about a man being in the women’s room, while she had two boys in the women’s room. The second one doesn’t even have anything to do with bathrooms. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/99 "2019-10-25T14:08:06Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > The second one doesn’t even have anything to do with bathrooms. I’m referring to the broader trans issue overall, of course. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2019, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069/100 "2019-10-25T14:14:30Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Jesus, and actually reading the article is even worse. “A chilling move in elimination of women’s biology” ? Fucking really ? Back when, I would’ve been thrilled to eliminate my periods. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-activists-pressure-always-to-womens-symbol-of-feminine-hygiene-products/842069.md?page=6)