# Transgender and public bathrooms **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 14, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190 "2016-04-14T16:27:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190/61 "2016-04-15T18:19:25Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > At gyms, beaches, etc where the bathrooms and showers are in one room. Same with changing/locker rooms. > > I think the risk is slight. Risk of _what_, exactly? Spell it out. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190/62 "2016-04-15T18:23:53Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Risk of _what_, exactly? Spell it out. Risk of pervos wanting to look at naked people. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190/63 "2016-04-15T18:30:21Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Risk of pervos wanting to look at naked people. “Pervos”. Cute. I hate to break it to you, but how one’s genitals are shaped doesn’t guarantee whether one will turn out to be a “pervo” or not. Letting transgendered individuals use the restrooms they wish to use will not increase the chances of your encountering “pervos” in public restrooms. Unless you consider transgendered individuals to be among those you consider to be “pervos”, that is. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190/64 "2016-04-15T18:39:19Z")
I’m trying to figure out how this works. Transgendered man goes through the long, drawn out process of transition(surgery, counseling, years of medication therapy etc.) just to get a chance to perv on male penises in restrooms? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190/65 "2016-04-15T18:44:01Z")
Well, there could be women dressing up fraudulently in men’s clothes to get a chance to perv on male penises in the restroom. THAT’S the real troubling issue! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190/66 "2016-04-15T18:45:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > “Pervos”. Cute. > I hate to break it to you, but how one’s genitals are shaped doesn’t guarantee whether one will turn out to be a “pervo” or not. Letting transgendered individuals use the restrooms they wish to use will not increase the chances of your encountering “pervos” in public restrooms. > Unless you consider transgendered individuals to be among those you consider to be “pervos”, that is. \*\*You’re not reading the thread. \*\*:rolleyes: Look, I was responding to **Dinsdale** who was suggesting “all bathrooms are unisex”. I pointed out that in some buildings the lockers, changing rooms and showers are attached to the bathrooms. I am not that concerned with _transgendered individuals_ using said unisex lockers, changing rooms and showers- I am concerned with _any_ person of the opposite sex. The two (me and Dinsdale) of us were discussing converting all restrooms to unisex.\* I care not a whit about transgendered individuals using whatever bathroom they feel most comfortable with. \* Perfectly OK by me. Why not actually, you know, r\*ead the posts \*before responding in a knee jerk agrro fashion? :rolleyes: Like I said, transgendered individuals have the same chance of being pervos as anyone else. Or do _you_ think that transgendered individuals are not human, and none of them are pervos? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190/67 "2016-04-15T18:48:01Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’m trying to figure out how this works. Transgendered man goes through the long, drawn out process of transition(surgery, counseling, years of medication therapy etc.) just to get a chance to perv on male penises in restrooms? You’re not reading the posts you’re responding to.:rolleyes::mad: \*\* I care not a whit about transgendered individuals using whatever bathroom they feel most comfortable with. Perfectly OK by me. \*\* Disndale suggested converting all bathrooms into unisex. This raises a issue with those bathrooms attached to lockers, changing rooms and shower. \*\*NOT \*\*due in any way to just \*transgendered individuals \* for _all_ persons. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190/68 "2016-04-15T18:56:23Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Like I said, transgendered individuals have the same chance of being pervos as anyone else. Or do _you_ think that transgendered individuals are not human, and none of them are pervos? Considering the amount of counseling and therapy a lot of them have to go through, I would say there’s a much lower chance you would find any “pervos” among them than among the general population. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190/69 "2016-04-15T19:02:18Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Considering the amount of counseling and therapy a lot of them have to go through, I would say there’s a much lower chance you would find any “pervos” among them than among the general population. This is your weak sauce response? You get all aggro and lambaste me for several posts, all of which turns out came from \*you simply not bothering to read what the hell you were responding to. \* Why not try"Oops, sorry, never mind."? I leave it to the trans-persons here to correct your odd viewpoint that all trans-people are asexual. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190/70 "2016-04-15T19:11:47Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I leave it to the trans-persons here to correct your odd viewpoint that all trans-people are asexual. WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190/71 "2016-04-15T20:27:11Z")
I think it’s obvious. There needs to be, like, 6 different restrooms to accommodate everyone: men’s, women’s, family, transgender, pervos who want to perv on each other, and Republican\* \*Women using the Republican restroom needs to sign an official notarized form surrendering rights to their own bodies. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190/72 "2016-04-15T20:34:51Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > WTF? I think **DrDeth** ’s just checking to see if you’re reading his posts, because you haven’t said anything about asexuals in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190/73 "2016-04-15T20:51:03Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I agree that the laws in question are misguided and should be repealed. > > But that does not mean I should let falsehoods pass unremarked. > > Or does it? This particular falsehood that your link contains supports a view that I also support. On a message board that purports to fight ignorance, should I call out the falsehood? Jesus Christ, dude, if you have a factual correction to make, just fuckin make it, without announcing the beginning of a discussion of whether that means you’re more dedicated to Truth with a capital T than all these apparently hypocritical politically-correct liberals, or whatever you’re implying here. That’s a boring discussion. Facts are either appreciated or not–I appreciate them. ---
**Author:** ![Kyomara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8edcca/32.png) [@Kyomara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyomara)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190/74 "2016-04-15T21:59:42Z")
I am for transgender individuals being able to use the bathroom of their choice. However I think there has been an ongoing misunderstanding among my progressive homies regarding the specific nature of conservatives’ unfounded fear that perverts will exploit non-discrimination ordinances for their own nefarious ends. Conservatives are not saying that transgender people will commit sexual assault. They are saying that straight cis men will go try to use the women’s restroom so they can get their rocks off, and then claim to identify as a woman if they are caught. Just as dumb, but a different kind of dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190/75 "2016-04-15T22:10:30Z")
> [@Kyomara](#): > > I am for transgender individuals being able to use the bathroom of their choice. > > However I think there has been an ongoing misunderstanding among my progressive homies regarding the specific nature of conservatives’ unfounded fear that perverts will exploit non-discrimination ordinances for their own nefarious ends. > > Conservatives are not saying that transgender people will commit sexual assault. They are saying that straight cis men will go try to use the women’s restroom so they can get their rocks off, and then claim to identify as a woman if they are caught. > > Just as dumb, but a different kind of dumb. I would say that is about as likely as a man going into a woman’s restroom to get his rocks off and then saying he was born a woman if he is caught. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190/76 "2016-04-15T22:16:18Z")
> [@Kyomara](#): > > I am for transgender individuals being able to use the bathroom of their choice. > > However I think there has been an ongoing misunderstanding among my progressive homies regarding the specific nature of conservatives’ unfounded fear that perverts will exploit non-discrimination ordinances for their own nefarious ends. > > Conservatives are not saying that transgender people will commit sexual assault. They are saying that straight cis men will go try to use the women’s restroom so they can get their rocks off, and then claim to identify as a woman if they are caught. > > Just as dumb, but a different kind of dumb. Because they are mentally 13 years old, and are themselves developing scenarios in their heads as to how they could sneak into the girl’s room. As I said, 80s teen sex comedy mindset. (My afterschool job in high school was as a janitor. You lose a lot of the mystique quickly when you have to clean up after the girls.) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190/77 "2016-04-15T22:58:53Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Jesus Christ, dude, if you have a factual correction to make, just fuckin make it, without announcing the beginning of a discussion of whether that means you’re more dedicated to Truth with a capital T than all these apparently hypocritical politically-correct liberals, or whatever you’re implying here. That’s a boring discussion. > > Facts are either appreciated or not–I appreciate them. > [@](#): > > While “family values” Republicans have a long history of adultery and sexual abuse there have been three cases in recent history of Republican Congressmen sexually harassing people in bathrooms alone. Not true. There were three cases of Republican Congressmen soliciting sex in bathrooms, yes, but in those cases the Congressmen were led to believe that the offer was welcome. That is, the undercover officer responded positively to the initial, ambiguous approach. This was deliberate, of course, because the officers were undercover precisely to arrest men seeking sex in public restrooms. In other words, the sexual overtures were not unwelcome and are not “sexual harassment,” at all. Of course, there aren’t any cases of transgender people seeking sex in bathrooms either, so far as I am aware. So the author’s point could have easily been made with an accurate statement. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190/78 "2016-04-16T01:59:40Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I think **DrDeth** ’s just checking to see if you’re reading his posts, because you haven’t said anything about asexuals in this thread. Check. I am still waiting for his “Oops, Never mind, sorry”. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190/79 "2016-04-16T02:01:49Z")
> [@Kyomara](#): > > Conservatives are not saying that transgender people will commit sexual assault. They are saying that straight cis men will go try to use the women’s restroom so they can get their rocks off, and then claim to identify as a woman if they are caught. > > Just as dumb, but a different kind of dumb. That\* could\* happen, but it’s gonna be rare and unlikely. I think someone even found _one_ case of it happening. I’d say lower risk than shark attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2016, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190/80 "2016-04-16T04:51:28Z")
The risk of violence to a trans_man_ seems like it would be higher when using a restroom full of cis men than when using a restroom full of cis women? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgender-and-public-bathrooms/752190.md?page=5)