# Transgenic vs transgender **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 8, 2025, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314 "2025-03-08T23:46:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2025, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314/41 "2025-03-09T21:09:26Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Because Trump **wasn’t** conflating ‘transgender’ and ‘transgenic’, either accidentally or purposely. He was talking about research like this: If anyone buys this post hoc rationalization, I have some land I’d like to sell them. The raw tonnage of horseshit elsewhere in the speech means that Trump has no claim at all to the benefit of the doubt. As a big fan of The West Wing, I think about the work that went into President Bartlet’s SOTUs, with every fact and policy position slaved over. I know that the show was a fantasy even at the time, but it makes me sad. It’s also worth noting that if we can, in fact, make mice transgender, or even if we can definitively identify transgender behavior in mice, that is 100% worth throwing a few research dollars at. ---
**Author:** ![GailForce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/dfb087/32.png) [@GailForce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GailForce)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2025, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314/42 "2025-03-09T22:09:18Z")
Is there one correct way to respond to his nonstop trolling? No. So people who criticize the dems’ response here, or to Al Green, or any of a hundred things this week alone, are just aiding the GOP. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2025, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314/43 "2025-03-09T22:32:04Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > The only evidence I see here is that he did manage to marry (and even have sex with) some good looking women. And he managed to convince a majority of US voters to elect him to the most powerful position in the world. That requires something that’s at least very similar to “charm”. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2025, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314/44 "2025-03-09T22:36:18Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > What monsters would conduct research on breast cancer? Donald Trump is a Great Man™️! The fact the media, and liberals generally, spend time on debating the specific words Trump used and whether he’s dumb or evil, rather than talking about the research he just cut and what the effects of that will be plays right into his hands. You get your two minutes hate, and he gets the focus off what he’s actually doing. > [@DoctorJ](#): > > If anyone buys this post hoc rationalization, I have some land I’d like to sell them. The raw tonnage of horseshit elsewhere in the speech means that Trump has no claim at all to the benefit of the doubt. The claim that Trump mixed up ‘transgenic’ and ‘transgender’ apparently came from a random Tik Tok video. It isn’t supported by the CNN fact check. There is no reason to believe it other than that it shows Trump in a bad light, and it’s a gift to the right who now get to accuse liberals of lying about Trump (again) and dismiss their opposition, rather than seeing criticisms of his policies. > [@DoctorJ](#): > > It’s also worth noting that if we can, in fact, make mice transgender, or even if we can definitively identify transgender behavior in mice, that is 100% worth throwing a few research dollars at. We can’t make mice transgender because they don’t have a concept of self. But we can induce opposite-sex behaviour by blocking the production of testosterone prenatally in males or giving it even postnatally to females: > **[Fast, Furious and Enduring: Sensitive versus Critical Periods in Sexual...](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5844806/)** > > Understanding critical periods in brain development and how they impact adult functioning is a primary goal of neuroscience. The sexual differentiation of the brain is a unique critical period in that it is initiated by endogenous production of a ... I agree it is worth studying, it’s an important part of brain development that we need to understand. > [@GailForce](#): > > Is there one correct way to respond to his nonstop trolling? Yes. Ignore it and focus on his actions and their results. This is a good criticism of what he’s doing to US science: > **[Trump’s Agenda Is Undermining American Science](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/03/17/trumps-agenda-is-undermining-american-science)** > > Research funded by the federal government has found useful expression in many of the defining technologies of our time. This Administration threatens that progress. ---
**Author:** ![GailForce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/dfb087/32.png) [@GailForce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GailForce)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2025, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314/45 "2025-03-09T22:42:03Z")
I’ll stick with “no,” thanks. No one can adhere consistently to your chosen method of responding, and criticizing each other for our choices just leads to infighting and disunity. I despise several democrats personally, as a far leftist, but i strive to refrain from criticizing them. This is an emergency we’re in and criticism is a luxury right now ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2025, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314/46 "2025-03-09T22:55:20Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > The fact the media, and liberals generally, spend time on debating the specific words Trump used and whether he’s dumb or evil, rather than talking about the research he just cut and what the effects of that will be plays right into his hands. You get your two minutes hate, and he gets the focus off what he’s actually doing. He’s both dumb and evil and Tory are playing into his hands of dividing Americans. You are focusing on his words and ignoring his intent. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2025, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314/47 "2025-03-09T23:46:31Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And now Moore’s Law has applied itself to Brandolini’s Law. The amount of bullshit created per energy is now doubling every 18 months, while the cost of refutation is the same as ever. I think you are being overly optimistic with that time constant. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2025, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314/48 "2025-03-09T23:54:54Z")
Wait until he finds out that transuranic elements have worked their way into our weapons systems… ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314/49 "2025-03-10T00:19:32Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > He’s both dumb and evil and Tory are playing into his hands of dividing Americans. You are focusing on his words and ignoring his intent. Tory? I’m trying to correct misinformation, something that in other circumstances most posters here support. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314/50 "2025-03-10T00:33:39Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Tory? > > I’m trying to correct misinformation, something that in other circumstances most posters here support Autocorrect error. You, not Tory. You are defending a man who is indefensible. I heard Howard Lutnick going to bat for him on Meet the Press today, but he’s PAID to say nice things about Trump. I watched the whole SOTU and avoided puking somehow at all of his lies. That was a Nuremberg rally, not a SOTU. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314/51 "2025-03-10T01:49:46Z")
> [@Zoobi](#): > > Is just like the immigrants eating cats and dogs, and **litter boxes in schools**. The truth isn’t the point. [Bolding mine] Litter boxes in schools? Are those nasty liberals now forcing us to kowtow to children who identify as cats? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314/52 "2025-03-10T02:24:32Z")
That’s the claim, yes. Despite nobody ever having actually seen any of these litter boxes. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314/53 "2025-03-10T08:12:25Z")
There is a good purpose in making your criticism accurate - it makes you look trustworthy to those who don’t already believe you. If you are at all political, you should always have the goal of making your side look trustworthy to those who don’t already believe you. Because you want to _turn them into_ people who do believe you. Right? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314/54 "2025-03-10T08:45:12Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > That’s the claim, yes. Despite nobody ever having actually seen any of these litter boxes. Aren’t there still sandboxes on playgrounds they can point at? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314/55 "2025-03-10T08:54:31Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > Litter boxes in schools? Are those nasty liberals now forcing us to kowtow to children who identify as cats? The litter box meme came from simpler times, before the Republican Big Lie Machine got into full swing, when I’m pretty sure it was basically a joke invented by right-wing bigots to try to undermine the whole idea of non-conforming gender identity. Today, the policies of the right, driven by Trump with unrelenting fury, are based on a constant barrage of lies that are meant to be believed and understood literally. None of Trump’s cult think that “transgender mice” is a joke – they think it’s an example of “liberalism” run amok. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314/56 "2025-03-10T10:19:01Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > The litter box meme came from simpler times, before the Republican Big Lie Machine got into full swing, when I’m pretty sure it was basically a joke invented by right-wing bigots to try to undermine the whole idea of non-conforming gender identity. I’ve never heard of this litter box meme. Is it widely known and I’m way out of the loop? ---
**Author:** ![GailForce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/dfb087/32.png) [@GailForce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GailForce)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314/57 "2025-03-10T11:13:04Z")
This is a great illustration of what MAGA calls "flooding the zone with shit, " putting so much reprehensible nonsense out there that we libtards are fully occupied with, and finally exhausted by, our struggle to understand and refute all of the shit. Much better to give them no credibility at all, on any and all subjects, even if you find yourself agreeing with any one position or talking point . Just reject it all as baseless lies and you’ll be much closer to the truth ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314/58 "2025-03-10T12:34:46Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > I’ve never heard of this litter box meme. Is it widely known and I’m way out of the loop? I think you are out of the loop. The idea was that kids in school were identifying as cats and demanding litterboxes in the washrooms. Like almost all of the MAGA claims, it was a lie. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314/59 "2025-03-10T16:30:51Z")
Yup. Here’s [Snopes on the origins of the “litter boxes in schools” legend/lie.](https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/01/30/how-furries-got-swept-up-in-anti-trans-litter-box-rumors/) ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314/60 "2025-03-10T17:05:07Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Yup. “They’re eating the cats, they’re eating the dogs, they’re eating the school kids who identify as cats…” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/transgenic-vs-transgender/1015314.md?page=4)