# Treis, no means no. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 13, 2013, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556 "2013-04-13T01:07:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky_the_Wonder_Spirit)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556/61 "2013-04-13T05:19:40Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > Er, not to Junior Mod or anything, but this is perfectly consistent with the rules and board tradition. It’s always been that as long as people express odious opinions without resorting to personal insults it was fine. Yes, I’m fully aware that this board is very protective of its population of misogynist douchenozzles, racist creeps, and pedophiles. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556/62 "2013-04-13T05:49:27Z")
> [@panaccione](#): > > No need to get personal. No, see honey, that’s the thing: your ridiculously idiotic hand waving _is_ personal to us. For you, it’s personal because your penis is hard and no one wants to touch it. For us, it’s personal because idiotic men use justifications like the one you’re spouting to assault and rape us. And this isn’t a hypothetical, I know several women this thread can give you bunches of stories each about our experience with sexual assault. But beyond that, it’s personal because you’re giving all of the good guys we care about a bad name. You’re reducing men to a fucking sum of their parts, controlled by their dicks and not their brains. So, seriously: fuck off, tard. > [@clairobscur](#): > > After reading the thread linked to about his infatuation, I wouldn’t be that harsh. My understanding is that **Panaccione** : > > 1)Is Young > > 2)Lacks social skills > > 3)Is unsecure > > 4)As a result of 1,2 and 3 he never had a relationship > > 5)As a result of 1 and 4, he’s very horny > > 6)As a result of 4 and 5, he wishes he could at least see a prostitute, which he can’t > > 7)He’s clueless > > 1. As a result of 5 and 6 he felt the urge to inject his frustrations into **MOL** ’s thread > > 9)As a result of 2 and 7, he didn’t realize how irrelevant it was and how dickish his comments would appear. 1. Is justifying sexual assault and rape, so he can go fuck himself (which, incidentally, is likely the only fucking he’s going to get the piss poor attitude and total lack of social skills he has). There’s a time and a place to discuss his prostitution fantasies, but that thread ain’t it. Justifying the actions of the man in the OP isn’t some ideological thought experiment about the social repercussions of a legal sex trade— it’s justifying rape culture. Fuck that, it’s justifying _rape._ ---
**Author:** ![Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky_the_Wonder_Spirit)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556/63 "2013-04-13T05:53:24Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > For us, it’s personal because idiotic men use justifications like the one you’re spouting to assault and rape us. And this isn’t a hypothetical, I know several women this thread can give you bunches of stories each about our experience with sexual assault. There you go again, **Diosa** , spouting off like\* women\* are _people_. Crazy-ass bitch. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556/64 "2013-04-13T05:56:42Z")
> [@Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](#): > > There you go again, **Diosa** , spouting off like\* women\* are _people_. Crazy-ass bitch. Some of us dream of something more than a helicopter dick. ---
**Author:** ![Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky_the_Wonder_Spirit)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556/65 "2013-04-13T06:00:49Z")
So you used the word “dream” in the same sentence as the word “dick”, so that means \*\*panaccione \*\*should start humping your leg, right? ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556/66 "2013-04-13T06:05:38Z")
I don’t recall inviting him into my apartment, so I clearly have not given him the go ahead to spastically thrust on me two times until he busts a load of shame and regret in his Dockers. Don’t get it twisted. No means no! Unless I invite you into my home while saying no, then no means “TAKE ME TO DICK TOWN!” ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556/67 "2013-04-13T06:13:46Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Oh, I know. Which is why I have contempt for this board at times. > > Because it’s okay to say black people are dumb and no means yes, but if you call someone stupid, you can get banned. > [@Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](#): > > Yes, I’m fully aware that this board is very protective of its population of misogynist douchenozzles, racist creeps, and pedophiles. _Shrug_ I think all viewpoints, even, or perhaps especially, the most odious ones should have their expression protected. ---
**Author:** ![panaccione](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@panaccione](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panaccione)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556/68 "2013-04-13T06:21:10Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > **pan** , the men in the thread insisting that women don’t actually mean no when they say it and the PUA recommendations that men ply women with alcohol, relentlessly push for more physical contact, persist in using guilt to persuade women to dispense sex are the reasons that guys like MOL’s date ignore the word no. Your insistence that we take pity on the “sexually frustrated man” rather than the woman who he attempted to take advantage of is really shitty. No one is owed sex. Horniness isn’t a legit social, emotional, or physical illness. The fix doesn’t require government intervention or oversight; jerking off will end the “suffering”. We recently had a very ugly thread in which women who expressed wariness of strange men were shamed relentlessly for taking steps to ensure their safety. And in this thread, we’ve got men telling us we can’t extend courtesy to men because that indicates we want them to attempt to have sex with us, even when we say no. Men telling us we don’t really mean no. Men telling us that letting men into our homes obligates us to have sex with men we don’t want. The contradictions would be infuriating if they weren’t just incredibly disappointing. No means no, and we don’t need a magic bullet to figure that out. I agree. It was shitty. It was IMHO and MOL thread. Not the time and place for that discussion. Honestly, I just like having these discussions with some of you because I don’t hear this shit in real life. That’s all I can say really. I got caught up in the discussion and I was acting like it was GD when it wasn’t. I learn a lot from you people. Sorry, MOL. Dudes a douche. I still think female empowerment is key. Like it would be better for everyone. I don’t know what else to say. I’m drunk and if rather ramble on this message board than hang out with my friends. Have a good night everybody. ---
**Author:** ![Dave\_Hartwick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7feea3/32.png) [@Dave\_Hartwick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dave_Hartwick)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556/69 "2013-04-13T06:48:24Z")
You monster. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556/70 "2013-04-13T09:01:54Z")
> [@MeanOld Lady](#): > > Living in the Midwest and all, the weather was terrible that night, it rained like fucking mad when it was time to go home, and no way are you going to be able to fetch a cab where we were. Your fist pitting is going pretty well! **treis, panaccione,** and **the fuckwit who blew a perfectly good thing with you** should not be allowed out in public without supervision. But to pick up on a point no one else really cares about - in the future, you could ask the bartender/hostess/concierge/manager to call the guy a cab. Bars & restaurants call cabs for people all the time. The good ones will have cab companies on speed dial and maybe even an arrangement with a few cabbies to get regular service. You can wait there at the bar for the cabbie to arrive and not have to risk close encounters with the clueless kind. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556/71 "2013-04-13T09:08:52Z")
Got a question: since, according to **treis** , any time a woman lets a male into her apartment she is asking for sex, should I feel insulted that none of the guys who came to budget the repairs in my flat, nor any of those who actually performed them, realized they were supposed to play some Boom Chicka Boom? Some of them were condescending, but nope, none said “ok, you can take that shirt off now, honey” while giving me a lascivious once-over, none tried to grab me, the most intimate thing was asking whether I had a stepladder. Is stepladder a codeword for blowjob? ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556/72 "2013-04-13T09:16:12Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Got a question: > > since, according to **treis** , any time a woman lets a male into her apartment she is asking for sex, > > should I feel insulted that none of the guys who came to budget the repairs in my flat, nor any of those who actually performed them, realized they were supposed to play some Boom Chicka Boom? > > Some of them were condescending, but nope, none said “ok, you can take that shirt off now, honey” while giving me a lascivious once-over, none tried to grab me, the most intimate thing was asking whether I had a stepladder. Is stepladder a codeword for blowjob? Clearly things work differently in Spain. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556/73 "2013-04-13T09:25:51Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > Clearly things work differently in Spain. But the guys in Philadelphia and Miami didn’t do any of that either. Are those Spain now? ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556/74 "2013-04-13T09:41:39Z")
Here’s another rapey asshole: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16189786&postcount=414](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16189786&postcount=414) That’s 4, right? If I believed that any one of these clueless “no doesn’t always mean no” losers had any experience with vagina other than their mother’s, I’d be dismayed and frightened. As it is, I’m assuming that they are just seething with jealousy at all the men allowed close enough to women to catch a whiff of pussy, and in their frothing envy, feel that other men deserve nothing less than jail time for getting what they can’t. Thus they encourage assault in order to reduce the numbers of their imagined competition. But don’t worry, ladies, fathers of daughters, brothers of sisters, sons of mothers, or friends of women: these potential frots have zero chance at actually leaving their basements and forcing themselves on disinterested women. This is nothing but the limpest expression of internet muscle possible, but that’s all it is. No man born of woman, no man who has ever loved a woman, and no man who has ever actually been wanted by a woman or invited to touch a pussy would advocate sexual assault. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556/75 "2013-04-13T09:43:36Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > But the guys in Philadelphia and Miami didn’t do any of that either. Are those Spain now? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556/76 "2013-04-13T10:34:05Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > But to pick up on a point no one else really cares about - in the future, you could ask the bartender/hostess/concierge/manager to call the guy a cab. Bars & restaurants call cabs for people all the time. **MOL** mentioned in the original thread that the bar was closing, which was why they were out in the rain to begin with. Otherwise, yeah, good idea. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556/77 "2013-04-13T11:30:40Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > Some of us dream of something more than a helicopter dick. You’re a helicopter dick tease. You keep bringing it up, but I don’t see any twirling my way. I wants me some big helicopter dick. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556/78 "2013-04-13T11:39:33Z")
Man I never knew about this whole helicopter dick thing. Never comes up in the gay community I suppose (except [meatspin.com](http://meatspin.com)) ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556/79 "2013-04-13T12:39:33Z")
> [@Sierra\_Indigo](#): > > Yuo = fucking retard. Winning! > [@drewtwo99](#): > > Man I never knew about this whole helicopter dick thing. Never comes up in the gay community I suppose (except [meatspin.com](http://meatspin.com)) Helicopter dick reference: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi7gwX7rjOw](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi7gwX7rjOw) ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556/80 "2013-04-13T13:17:43Z")
Can we change April from Rape Month to Helicopter Dick Month? Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/treis-no-means-no/655556.md?page=5)