# Trek: TOS fans: what do you think happened to the Organians (and their peace treaty)? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 25, 2015, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522 "2015-09-25T22:21:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522/21 "2015-09-26T05:21:16Z")
Nitpick: Koloth was the Klingon captain in “The Trouble with Tribbles.” He was played by William Campbell (aka Trelain, the Squire of Gothos). The head Klingon in “Errand” was Kor, Military Governor of Organia. He was played by John Colicos (aka Baltar in the original _ **Battlestar Galactica** _). More trivia: Koloth’s right-hand man was Korax, played by Michael Pataki. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522/22 "2015-09-26T05:21:49Z")
Wasn’t Kor the Klingon commander in _Errand of Mercy_? Koloth was in _The Trouble With Tribbles_. Edit - terentii, may your quadrotriticale be infested by tribbles! ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522/23 "2015-09-26T05:25:20Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Wasn’t Kor the Klingon commander in _Errand of Mercy_? Koloth was in _The Trouble With Tribbles_. > > Edit - terentii, may your quadrotriticale be infested by tribbles! **[Voice of Nelson Muntz]:** **Ha-ha!** 😃 ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522/24 "2015-09-26T05:32:29Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > Trelain, the Squire of Gothos. Nitpick: Trelane. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522/25 "2015-09-26T05:37:00Z")
By the time of the UFP/Klingon war in DS9, such childish storylines about the ugly realities of war and the intervention of mysterious, all-powerful to the point of being supernatural entities had been gracefully pushed aside for more “mature” plots and themes—just ask DS9 writer/producer and Galactica 2003 developer and producer, Ronald D. Moore! ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522/26 "2015-09-26T05:46:37Z")
Blish’s book is incorrect since it set in a steady state, not Big Bang universe, and was written long after Blish should have known better. As for the Organians not interfering, I figure it’s like this. If your kids are playing and you hear only a random squeak or two, you leave them alone. When the wailing starts you take action. The wailing never started. Except in the alternate Yesterday’s Enterprise universe. Maybe the Organians were actually responsible for cleaning that muddle up. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522/27 "2015-09-26T14:55:46Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Blish’s book is incorrect since it set in a steady state, not Big Bang universe, and was written long after Blish should have known better. BLISH: Dammit, Jim, I’m an author, not a physicist! ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522/28 "2015-09-26T15:39:14Z")
The Organians went out for Pie. We all like Pie! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522/29 "2015-09-26T17:44:10Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Except to explain the Scott Bakula fatwa. This cries out for a portmanteau expression - how about the Bakulatwa? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522/30 "2015-09-26T17:47:42Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Blish’s book is incorrect since it set in a steady state, not Big Bang universe, and was written long after Blish should have known better. Niven was still writing about Steady State as a viable theory in 1975’s Borderlands of Sol, 5 years after “Spock Must Die.” ---
**Author:** ![DeptfordX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DeptfordX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeptfordX)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522/31 "2015-09-26T23:08:44Z")
Well in the Justice League/Star Trek crossover RPG game I ran last Saturday (Using ICONS assembled) they had decided by the time of Next Generation to back off direct intervention but hand out tools of power to a few individuals who could be trusted to further the galactic good. Which is how one of my players came to be playing Hal’el Jor’dunn of Andorria, a Lensman Legionaire. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522/32 "2015-09-27T14:56:50Z")
It brings to mind a complaint of writers through the entire Reign of Roddenberry on all the shows: People In The Future Do Not Fight, They Work Out Their Conflicts Peacefully. I seem to recall any number of writers griping about how they wanted to do conflicts between the Federation and the Klingons, but were stymied by that Organian Peace Treaty. David Gerrold managed to get a good story off that (_The Trouble With Tribbles_), but even he later had some pretty hairy things to say about Roddenberry’s control freak tendencies… and habit of not keeping his promises. I am told that the entire reason the Future Enterprise in “All Good Things…” had three warp nacelles was because Gene Roddenberry insisted that all spaceships had to have them in multiples of two. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522/33 "2015-09-27T19:04:12Z")
Well, as already noted, the Organian Treaty, which started out with good intentions with the development of Sherman’s Planet, got derailed with that unanticipated trouble with tribbles, and the Treaty had little effect ever since. But finally, the Organians met their match in the [Metrons](http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Arena_%28episode%29) and that was the end of them. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522/34 "2015-09-27T20:23:55Z")
More than once, I have wondered about how all those godlike aliens managed to coexist in a universe that seemed to have so many of them. Organians, Trelane’s parents, the Metron, that thing Sybok worshipped, Nagilum, those guys that rewired Barclay’s brain… Is this what caused the [last great Time War?](http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Last_Great_Time_War) ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522/35 "2015-09-27T20:41:17Z")
Before VOY effed it up by saying the Q had ben around billions of years…I liked to think they were a group of Espers who intentionally went through the Great Barrier. Once they reached a certain point, they cleaned house which is why in TOS, Kirk alone is always tripping over vastly advanced species…but by DS( it’s “Some aliens in a wormhole and others in a fire cave”) ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522/36 "2015-09-27T21:24:15Z")
They finally DID have enough of the ongoing hostilities in the Galaxies. And like vengeful gods they took it out on the Federations innocents. They wished Kes to a cornfield in Tennessee. And don’t even think about looking at what they did to her. ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522/37 "2015-09-28T11:57:44Z")
They got tired of being babysitters and went beyond the rim. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522/38 "2015-09-28T13:08:14Z")
DC Comics had the Trek franchise through the 1980s and 90s. They started their TOS run shortly after the events of _The Wrath of Khan_, with some mysterious force manipulating the Klingons and Federation toward war. The force turned out to be the Excalibans, looking for a larger-scale version of their “good vs. evil” experiment from _The Savage Curtain_. Kirk manages to alert the Organians and they and the Excalibans end up cancelling each other out, explaining their lack of involvement from that point onward. As good an explanation as any, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522/39 "2015-09-28T13:39:33Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Blish’s book is incorrect since… they all were written hastily, mostly from scripts and the show bible, and IIRC he did not see most of the episodes he (what’s the word for making a short story from film, since “novelize” seems sort of incorrect)ed before writing them. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522/40 "2015-09-28T14:15:37Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > they all were written hastily, mostly from scripts and the show bible, and IIRC he did not see most of the episodes he (what’s the word for making a short story from film, since “novelize” seems sort of incorrect)ed before writing them. I think Voyager is referring to Blish’s Star Trek novel “Spock Must Die” which is not one of the short-story-izations of episodes [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trek-tos-fans-what-do-you-think-happened-to-the-organians-and-their-peace-treaty/732522.md?page=3)