# Trevor Noah leaving the Daily Show **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** talk-variety-show\ **Created:** [September 30, 2022, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486 "2022-09-30T02:49:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486/161 "2022-10-03T13:42:44Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Yeah, no. Almost all jobs have narrower pools than “everyone”. “As wide as possible” in this case is (or ideally should be, I should say - wouldn’t surprise _me_ if a Pale Male sneaks in again) narrower than _you’d_ like. Tough. You think it is acceptable to take certain identity groups out of the conversation to begin with. I don’t. I’m only bothered about who can do the job. You are more concerned with the skin colour of that person and I don’t think that is relevant. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Which is a white male perspective. which cannot be defined other than by circular reasoning. There are as many “white male” perspectives as there are white males. > [@MrDibble](#): > > No. But it is not, and can’t be, a non-white, non-male perspective. which you also cannot define other than by circular reasoning. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Yes. > > What, you think I’m going to deny it? well at least we’ve established who is favour of racist employment policies. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Soccer players aren’t there _to give their perspectives on things_ like the job in question. Try a different _tu quoque_, this one is broken. It is a perfectly fair question. It deals with the suitability of people for certain roles and whether you take identify group membership into account, but I’m not surprised you are unwilling to address it. Your whole argument rests on the imagined heterogeneity of a mythical “white male” perspective and the unsuitability of anyone in such a group being capable of providing anything than that perspective. I reject that completely as being racist and essentialist. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486/162 "2022-10-03T13:45:04Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > Of course he is exaggerating. Someone who grows up in South Africa is not likely afraid of taco trucks. The fear of dark abandoned parking lots, though, that was perfectly believable for a South African. 🙂 > [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > It still speaks to his skill as a storyteller and the accents are a nice touch. Oh, agreed. Wasn’t dissing Trevor at all. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486/163 "2022-10-03T14:09:07Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > You think it is acceptable to take certain identity groups out of the conversation to begin with Just the White men. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > I’m only bothered about who can do the job Despite what _Soul Man_ may have taught you, White men _can’t_ do the job of _not_ being White men. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > There are as many “white male” perspectives as there are white males. And _none_ of those are a non-White&male perspective. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > you also cannot define other than by circular reasoning. I’m not “reasoning” anything other than the Law of Noncontradiction. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > well at least we’ve established who is favour of racist employment policies. Ha ha. “You’re the real racist because you’re intolerant of continuing a racist system”. Looks like we missed _one_ British comedian from consideration… I’ll alert Comedy Central. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > It is a perfectly fair question. Naah, it’s bullshit, and I already explained why. Apples and oranges. Breaking news: broken comparison remains broken, attempted _tu quoque_ still a dud. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > Your whole argument rests on the imagined heterogeneity of a mythical “white male” perspective Nope, that’s still _your_ strawman version of what I’m saying. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > the unsuitability of anyone in such a group being capable of providing anything than that perspective Yes, White males remain incapable of providing a non-White, non-male perspective. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > I reject that completely as being racist and essentialist. Don’t really care, quite frankly - I mean, if I _wanted_ the bad White male perspective on this, I have Late Night TV, after all… . ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486/164 "2022-10-03T14:22:07Z")
Straight, white men spent a millennium or so building a system to preserve their privilege. It’s the entire structure of our society and its institutions that is founded in racism. If you are saying, “okay, we will keep everything as it is, but we are going _say_ it can’t be racist any more,” then you are going to _guarantee_ the preservation of a racist system. You have to _break_ the system somehow. But, no way, mate, we are not going to accept “Yeah, okay, we are going to keep everything the same, but we will be fair from now on.” That’s bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486/165 "2022-10-03T14:30:24Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > But, no way, mate, we are not going to accept “Yeah, okay, we are going to keep everything the same, but we will be fair from now on.” That’s bullshit. In any case, turnabout _is_ fair play. I believe that’s the White male expression, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486/166 "2022-10-03T14:44:19Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > Again, a distinction without a difference. If I said that I would only consider player who weren’t black or mixed race for selection to the national soccer team because that particular identity was oversubscribed, I suspect you wouldn’t think that was fair. And you’d be right. Ah the old trope. We can’t address the “Black men can’t sell or lead [because white people will not buy or follow] problem” until we address the “White men can’t jump” problem. And before you go all innocently outraged, I’m not saying either of those is true or not racist. The impact on people’s lives is massively different in scale. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486/167 "2022-10-03T15:58:03Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Ha ha. “You’re the real racist because you’re intolerant of continuing a racist system”. Looks like we missed _one_ British comedian from consideration… I’ll alert Comedy Central. One of us is in favour of getting _rid_ of racist employment policies, One of us is in favour of _implementing_ them. I’ll leave it to the good dopers to see if they can see which is which. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486/168 "2022-10-03T16:03:37Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Ah the old trope. > > We can’t address the “Black men can’t sell or lead [because white people will not buy or follow] problem” until we address the “White men can’t jump” problem. Those are your imagined tropes, not mine. > [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > The impact on people’s lives is massively different in scale. I reject the concept that the impact of talk show hosts and/or famous sports people are “massively different in scale” ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486/169 "2022-10-03T16:10:17Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > If you are saying, “okay, we will keep everything as it is I’ll stop you right there. At no point have I said that everything needs to stay as it is. In fact I very specifically said. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > Then the solution is to put hiring practices in place that ensure the best candidate gets the job Which I would _not_ be saying if I wanted everything to stay the same, would I? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486/170 "2022-10-03T16:10:26Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > One of us is in favour of getting _rid_ of racist employment policies, One of us is in favour of _implementing_ them. I’ll leave it to the good dopers to see if they can see which is which. [![](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/55aa0163e4b0f765fc46dcd4/1553218482923-9PQC4DRNB0CRF5LA3DSM/realitiesofreverseracism.jpg?format=750w) ](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/55aa0163e4b0f765fc46dcd4/1553218482923-9PQC4DRNB0CRF5LA3DSM/realitiesofreverseracism.jpg?format=750w) ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486/171 "2022-10-03T16:13:42Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > One of us is in favour of getting _rid_ of racist employment policies, One of us is in favour of _implementing_ them. I’ll leave it to the good dopers to see if they can see which is which. I don’t know about the “good” dopers, but the smart ones are swarming all over your head telling you that you are wrong. Maybe they need to use passive voice more. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486/172 "2022-10-03T16:16:00Z")
A reminder that “We should address systemic racism against non-whites only if it doesn’t inconvenience white people in any way” _is_ a racist policy. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486/173 "2022-10-03T16:16:12Z")
I’m not impressed by a cartoon that bears no relation to the subject being discussed. Do you think it is OK to disregard people for jobs because of their sex, sexuality or ethnicity? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486/174 "2022-10-03T16:17:06Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > I’m not impressed by a cartoon that bears no relation to the subject being discussed. I’m sorry that you don’t see the relevance. I suspect others may. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486/175 "2022-10-03T16:18:55Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > A reminder that “We should address systemic racism against non-whites only if it doesn’t inconvenience white people in any way” _is_ a racist policy. That’s not the point that I’m making _at all_. Levelling the playing field and getting rid of systemic racism will help and inconvenience _everyone_ to some degree. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486/176 "2022-10-03T16:22:02Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’m sorry that you don’t see the relevance. I suspect others may. I’m sure some will think it has superficial relevance without giving a moment’s thought to how it actually relates to the concept of non-discriminatory hiring practices. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486/177 "2022-10-03T16:23:12Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > That’s not the point that I’m making _at all_. Levelling the playing field and getting rid of systemic racism will help and inconvenience _everyone_ to some degree. From where I’m standing, your entire point has been little more than the “all lives matter” argument we all got sick of a few years ago. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486/178 "2022-10-03T16:25:57Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > One of us is in favour of getting _rid_ of racist employment policies, What racist employment policy are _you_ in favour of getting rid of? Because “hire White men” isn’t a _policy_. It’s the system itself. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > One of us is in favour of _implementing_ them Nothing racist about my policy. Racism is unjust and prejudiced. My policy would be [just](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformative_justice), and experiential. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > I’ll leave it to the good dopers to see if they can see which is which. Based just on posters in this thread, I have no concerns on that score. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486/179 "2022-10-03T16:26:31Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > I don’t know about the “good” dopers, but the smart ones are swarming all over your head telling you that you are wrong. Then they are obviously not smart enough to read the part when one person suggests hiring based on sex, sexuality and ethnicity and the other is fundamentally opposed to it. > [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Maybe they need to use passive voice more. You’ve made that strange accusation before, I didn’t understand the relevance then, I don’t understand it now. Whatever point I make stands on its own independently of the style in which it is delivered. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486/180 "2022-10-03T16:31:34Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > I’m sure some will think it has superficial relevance without giving a moment’s thought to how it actually relates to the concept of non-discriminatory hiring practices. You certainly didn’t give it a moment’s thought. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > Then they are obviously not smart enough to read the part when one person suggests hiring based on sex, sexuality and ethnicity and the other is fundamentally opposed to it. Or perhaps they’re smart enough to notice how carefully you frame your position to exclude the significant historical and ongoing systemic contexts for racism. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah-leaving-the-daily-show/972486.md?page=10)