# ...Trevor Noah. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 27, 2018, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650 "2018-07-27T00:56:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650/81 "2018-07-27T16:38:47Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I have no opinion on Trevor Noah, but I’m glad you started this thread here so I can tell you what a stupid fucking affectation your annoying “prellipsis” is. It doesn’t make you quirky and special; it makes you look like an idiot. “But I’ve always done it this way!” isn’t a reason to continue; it’s an admission that you’ve been an idiot for a long time and prefer to continue being one. Huh, the reminds me of a poster a few years back ([EEMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7081840#post7081840)) who had the habit of inserting ellipses into … his posts at … seemingly ran … dom places… I remember getting the impression it was like listening to someone who was deeply mired in fatigue and/or depression, and the effect was contagious so I actually became tired just from trying to read his posts. As a further side note, I found I could never listen to a Nelson Mandela speech because of his random pausing. ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650/82 "2018-07-27T16:53:12Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Thanks for posting that article. > It’s well worth the read. > More wit than Noah’s attempt at humor, and more depth than most of his social commentary. Just want to 2nd this. Noah should take her up on her offer to meet. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650/83 "2018-07-27T17:08:44Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Huh, the reminds me of a poster a few years back ([EEMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7081840#post7081840)) who had the habit of inserting ellipses into … his posts at … seemingly ran … dom places… > > I remember getting the impression it was like listening to someone who was deeply mired in fatigue and/or depression, and the effect was contagious so I actually became tired just from trying to read his posts. As a further side note, I found I could never listen to a Nelson Mandela speech because of his random pausing. I always heard it as being spoken by Capt. James T. Kirk. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650/84 "2018-07-27T17:32:55Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Almost all of us would fail if judged by our worst action or utterance. Even those of you who will say “I’ve never said anything offensive in my life” probably _did_ say something that, unbeknownst to you, would severely offend _some people_. > > This is particularly a problem for comics: there’s often a thin line between humor and giving offense. > > snip There was absolutely nothing funny about the joke. Humor, even dark, twisted, outright so-ugly-you-feel-dirty-after-the-punchline, is _funny_, it’s never _just_ degrading, whatever the underlying opinion. This thin line you speak of is kinda analogous to what makes a bad movie a good bad movie. It’s not just bad, it’s also entertaining and funny. As an example, contrary to many critics and film-enthusiasts, I believe [kynodontas](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1379182/?ref_=rvi_tt) to first and foremost being a comedy, secondarily being fucking gross. To me, this “joke” ain’t humor. It’s gross first and foremost, and there is not really anything else apart from: The didgeridoo sounds. Made me snort because it was so incredibly stupid (laugh at, not with). Kinda like asahi in this thread. Or so-bad-it’s-good movies. Piss poor “joke”, and piss poor “apology”. Hope he gets his shit straight, as I’ve generally enjoyed his stuff on the Daily Show. The article upthread was really great btw. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650/85 "2018-07-27T18:02:48Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > We both read the same article, right? > > From the article: Thanks; I must have skipped that paragraph somehow. Still, she writes as tho this were a contemporaneous thing. > [@](#): > > Your comedy routine demonstrates why feminism is still needed It’s not his comedy routine; it’s his old routine. A routine he doesn’t do anymore. How does this make sense? “That thing you did but don’t do anymore keeps offending me! We should talk about all the reasons why you shouldn’t do that anymore!” :dubious:😕 ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650/86 "2018-07-27T18:58:36Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Did it even once dawn upon you that the “racist” things he supposedly said and meant about Aboriginals might have been things he has heard said about Africans? Therein lies the joke. White people don’t get it because they’ve never been in a position to, which is just Trevor Noah trolling his audience. I knew you were a hyper-reactive twit, but I had no idea you were this stupid. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650/87 "2018-07-27T20:06:07Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > I always heard it as being spoken by Capt. James T. Kirk. Have you heard Christoper Walken’s impression of William Shatner? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650/88 "2018-07-27T22:12:28Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Jesus fucking Christ. There are actual Nazis and right wing populists in ascendancy all over the world and people are worried about what some lefty comedian said? Fight the real fucking enemy. I have to go along with this. Don’t watch T. Noah’s show. Don’t go to any of his “live in person” shows. If that makes you happy. But in the meantime, remember who the REAL enemies are. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650/89 "2018-07-27T22:16:24Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Is everyone here under some delusion that no comics make racial jokes anymore? er mer gerd! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650/90 "2018-07-27T22:17:08Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > it’s not so much expecting an “apology,” but demanding that they prostrate themselves and grovel tearfully until the outraged are satisfied they’ve “apologized enough.” The best fictional version of this I can recall was in _Catch-22_, though the topic was patriotism, not contrition. In a section known as the [Glorious Loyalty Oath Crusade](http://epic-site.com/catch-22-loyalty-oaths/), the intelligence officer, Captain Black, declares that to keep communists from taking over, he’s going to make everyone who comes to his tent for maps sign a loyalty oath. Soon all the logistics officers follow suit and the combat personnel finds themselves having to sign loyalty oaths before they can get food, equipment, vehicles and any services at all. Black, viewing the other oath-demanding officers as competition, starts demanding _two_ loyalty oaths, then three and four and “then he introduced the pledge of allegiance, and after that _The Star-Spangled Banner_, one chorus, two choruses, three choruses, four choruses. Each time Captain Black forged ahead of his competitors, he swung upon them scornfully for their failure to follow his example. Each time they followed his example, he retreated with concern and racked his brain for some new stratagem that would enable him to turn upon them scornfully again.” Once an undefined but seemingly-important standard is in place, there is literally no limit to what can be demanded. In this case, someone claims to be offended (or even more vaguely, that something is offensive) and demands an apology, the apology is given, they then declare that the apology wasn’t sincere enough and they’re _still_ offended and want a _real_ apology. Noah’s right not to jump on that descending spiral for things he said years ago. Roseanne Barr said something dumb _this_ year, and isn’t popular enough to get away with it, nor it seems quick-witted enough to deflect. The people demanding apologies (or displays of patriotism) don’t give a fuck about them, I expect. The situation does give them a little rush of power, a free opportunity to self-righteously exploit someone’s vulnerability. No wonder it remains perpetually tempting. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650/91 "2018-07-27T22:23:07Z")
I can call the guy an asshole AND fight Nazis. For that matter, as far as I’m concerned, he’s a perfect representation of society’s ills. He’s a racist, misogynistic fucktard, who works and plays well with all of the other fucktards who think that “other” people are ugly, and that women only have value as sex toys. He sure said a lot in one little joke. He said even more when he wouldn’t retract it. Am I calling for him to lose his job? No. I do think the host of a politically liberal talk show should apologize for this one. Walk the walk if you’re going to talk the talk. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650/92 "2018-07-27T22:24:25Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I can call the guy an asshole AND fight Nazis. For that matter, as far as I’m concerned, he’s a perfect representation of society’s ills. He’s a racist, misogynistic fucktard, who works and plays well with all of the other fucktards who think that “other” people are ugly, and that women only have value as sex toys. He sure said a lot in one little joke. He said even more when he wouldn’t retract it. > > Am I calling for him to lose his job? No. I do think the host of a politically liberal talk show should apologize for this one. Walk the walk if you’re going to talk the talk. Do what I do … don’t watch his show. Ratings. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650/93 "2018-07-27T22:28:03Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I have no opinion on Trevor Noah, but I’m glad you started this thread here so I can tell you what a stupid fucking affectation your annoying “prellipsis” is. It doesn’t make you quirky and special; it makes you look like an idiot. “But I’ve always done it this way!” isn’t a reason to continue; it’s an admission that you’ve been an idiot for a long time and prefer to continue being one. Really? It doesn’t make you just dying to know what he was thinking before he wrote it? No? Yeah, me neither. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650/94 "2018-07-27T22:40:58Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > The best fictional version of this I can recall was in _Catch-22_, though the topic was patriotism, not contrition. In a section known as the [Glorious Loyalty Oath Crusade](http://epic-site.com/catch-22-loyalty-oaths/), the intelligence officer, Captain Black, declares that to keep communists from taking over, he’s going to make everyone who comes to his tent for maps sign a loyalty oath. Soon all the logistics officers follow suit and the combat personnel finds themselves having to sign loyalty oaths before they can get food, equipment, vehicles and any services at all. Black, viewing the other oath-demanding officers as competition, starts demanding _two_ loyalty oaths, then three and four and “then he introduced the pledge of allegiance, and after that _The Star-Spangled Banner_, one chorus, two choruses, three choruses, four choruses. Each time Captain Black forged ahead of his competitors, he swung upon them scornfully for their failure to follow his example. Each time they followed his example, he retreated with concern and racked his brain for some new stratagem that would enable him to turn upon them scornfully again.” > > Once an undefined but seemingly-important standard is in place, there is literally no limit to what can be demanded. In this case, someone claims to be offended (or even more vaguely, that something is offensive) and demands an apology, the apology is given, they then declare that the apology wasn’t sincere enough and they’re _still_ offended and want a _real_ apology. Noah’s right not to jump on that descending spiral for things he said years ago. Roseanne Barr said something dumb _this_ year, and isn’t popular enough to get away with it, nor it seems quick-witted enough to deflect. > > The people demanding apologies (or displays of patriotism) don’t give a fuck about them, I expect. The situation does give them a little rush of power, a free opportunity to self-righteously exploit someone’s vulnerability. No wonder it remains perpetually tempting. This reads like black pudding. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650/95 "2018-07-27T22:48:13Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > This reads like black pudding. I’d find that offensive if I knew what it meant. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650/96 "2018-07-27T22:51:52Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > it’s not so much expecting an “apology,” but demanding that they prostrate themselves and grovel tearfully until the outraged are satisfied they’ve “apologized enough.” > > [stop demanding apologies for goddamn everything.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaC1-U8LIY0) > [@septimus](#): > > ++ > This video should be mandatory watching for all “progressives.” Ew. Gross. Bill Maher holding court on ideas he has no fucking clue about. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650/97 "2018-07-27T23:03:25Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’d find that offensive if I knew what it meant. Awesome, I straddled the line between offensive, inoffensive and incomprehensible and you didn’t understand jack-shit! I win!😕 ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650/98 "2018-07-27T23:17:24Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Do what I do … don’t watch his show. Ratings. Careful now. You’ll have Octopus after us. > [@Plumpudding](#): > > Awesome, I straddled the line between offensive, inoffensive and incomprehensible and you didn’t understand jack-shit! I win!😕 I didn’t understand it either. Winner! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650/99 "2018-07-27T23:23:10Z")
Thick, dark, and repulsive, like English cuisine in general, a conglomeration of unsavory spices and disgusting ingredients. (See _rat tart_) ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650/100 "2018-07-27T23:38:09Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Careful now. You’ll have Octopus after us. > > I didn’t understand it either. Winner! I have to credit my co-posters, Eve and… Rubber chicken, maybe. Yeah, rubber chicken works. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trevor-noah/818650.md?page=6)