# Tripler- get in here. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 17, 2002, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133 "2002-11-17T05:22:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rockford](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac8455/32.png) [@Rockford](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rockford)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2002, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133/1 "2002-11-17T05:22:38Z")
Tripler, you are an arrogant pig. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=144447](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=144447) Now I’ll admit that a lot of those 40 reasons for gun control were pretty silly. But by the same token, your argument of “I’m entitled to carry a gun to protect myself” is also pretty fucking stupid. (And just because you picked apart someone else’s obviously flawed argument doesn’t make you right by default.) I hope you don’t mind the fact that thousands of people die needlessly every year so people like you can have the right to “protect yourselves.” Come to think of it, you were actually pretty vague about who you feel the need to protect yourself from. Is it those pesky Negroes who are bothering you? :rolleyes: Now take a look at these stats, fuckface. [http://focus.hms.harvard.edu/2002/March8\_2002/injury\_control.html](http://focus.hms.harvard.edu/2002/March8_2002/injury_control.html) How many of those kids do you think were killed by people defending themselves? :mad: ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2002, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133/2 "2002-11-17T05:57:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rockford \* > Is it those pesky Negroes who are bothering you? :rolleyes: Now take a look at these stats, fuckface. **Tripler** ’s plenty good enough to handle his own gnat-sized detractors, so I’ll just pop in here briefly to inform you that this is bullshit. He may be a SATANIC DEVIL SUPPORTER (who, among the NJ Devils’ fans, isn’t?:)), but that’s another matter entirely. Oh, one more thing: > [@](#): > > But by the same token, your argument of “I’m entitled to carry a gun to protect myself” is also pretty fucking stupid. Around these parts, some of us actually, like, bother backing up what we say with an argument. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2002, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133/3 "2002-11-17T05:58:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rockford \* > \*\*Tripler, you are an arrogant pig. > > \*\* and you smell like CABBAGE! - [sub]and not the math maven “cabbage” who I magine smells like a square root or derivative function which smells sort of like Pumpkin Pi if IIRC [/sub] ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2002, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133/4 "2002-11-17T06:09:36Z")
Oh. Good. God. ---
**Author:** ![Forbin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5e9695/32.png) [@Forbin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Forbin)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2002, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133/5 "2002-11-17T07:03:23Z")
Tripler’s point by point refutation was the funniest post I’ve read in a while. Actually, I couldn’t finish it. It was too long and detailed. I can almost see him preaching to some choir somewhere. The image of a firebrand sermon delivered by an earnest young man, half in the bag, will be with me for some time. Not a flame Tripler, just something I find funny. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2002, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133/6 "2002-11-17T07:36:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rockford \* > **But by the same token, your argument of “I’m entitled to carry a gun to protect myself” is also pretty fucking stupid.** Why? Because you say so? It’s great to be you, isn’t it? > [@](#): > > **Is it those pesky Negroes who are bothering you?** If you’re accusing **Tripler** of some sort of racism, you’d better provide some clear links very quickly. So do it. Now. > [@](#): > > \*\*How many of those kids do you think were killed by people defending themselves? :mad: \*\* Ummm…given that the study is focused on “homicide, suicide, and firearms accidents”, probably none (unless you are one of those who count legal defenses of life which result in a death of the criminal a “homicide”). Reading the article would have revealed this… Is there a point here? Or are you purposefully disobeying **Lynn Bodoni’s** admonition in the locked thread about _not_ starting Great Debates in the Pit, and about trolling? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lynn Bodoni \* > **You should also read the forum descriptions more carefully. The BBQ Pit is NOT the place for Great Debates. Nor is it a place to troll.** ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2002, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133/7 "2002-11-17T08:35:38Z")
**Rockford** please do yourself a favor and spend a few weeks reading the several hundred threads in GD where gun rights are debated in a (mostly) civil and _intelligent_ manner. Your correlation of racism with those who favor gun rights is unfounded and profoundly disgusting. You are no better than the bigots you purport to despise. ---
**Author:** ![Khan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3ab097/32.png) [@Khan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khan)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2002, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133/8 "2002-11-17T10:46:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rockford \* > \*\*I hope you don’t mind the fact that thousands of people die needlessly every year so people like you can have the right to “protect yourselves.” \*\* Everyone who’s responded so far has asked for cites and arguments on some of your other points, but this one seems to demand a request for a cite most of all. That said… Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2002, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133/9 "2002-11-17T11:05:20Z")
So many logical conflations; so little time. ---
**Author:** ![Pythagras](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/45deac/32.png) [@Pythagras](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pythagras)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2002, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133/10 "2002-11-17T11:23:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\*So many logical conflations; so little time. \*\* Thats pretty much life in a nutshell 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Tripler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripler/32/21807_2.png) [@Tripler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tripler)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2002, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133/11 "2002-11-17T11:55:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rockford \* > \*\*Tripler, you are an arrogant pig. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=144447](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=144447) > > Now I’ll admit that a lot of those 40 reasons for gun control were pretty silly. But by the same token, your argument of “I’m entitled to carry a gun to protect myself” is also pretty fucking stupid. \*\* How so? Explain to me how this is stupid. Explain to me where it I may be a moron to exercise my personal judgement to arm myself in self-defense - note I may not actually _draw_ my weapon, but I may as well feel safer carrying it. > [@](#): > > \*\*(And just because you picked apart someone else’s obviously flawed argument doesn’t make you right by default.) I hope you don’t mind the fact that thousands of people die needlessly every year so people like you can have the right to “protect yourselves.” \*\* I never said I was right. I never said my opinion was almighty and infallible. And as far as yout “thousands of people die” statement, yer losing me. . . I get up every day at 0530 and put on green BDUs to make sure that I can think and speak freely. If you’re questioning my devotion to your and every other Doper’s freedom, then go take a long walk off a short pier. > [@](#): > > \*\*Come to think of it, you were actually pretty vague about who you feel the need to protect yourself from. Is it those pesky Negroes who are bothering you? :rolleyes: Now take a look at these stats, fuckface. \*\* Just did. I have absolutely no idea where you draw racism out of my statement. You want to know where I get my protective stance from? Fine. Here’s a story for you: I happened to be back from college for vacation one year. My father calls me up at about 1030, and informs me that one of his accounts has decided to retire, and paid off said account in cash, _$2.2 million dollars_. He asks if I can go to the bank with him, because he doesn’t feel comfortable walking around with that much cash on hand. However illegal it may have been, I subtly slipped on my leather rig and carried my Sig 232 that day. Did I think “Negroes” were going to take away $2.2M in cash? No. I didn’t care. Nobody was going to harass my father and take away his livelyhood . . . I have more, like the one where I got cornered by javelina in Arizona while hiking. I’ll thank you to let me exercise my own freedom, instead of having it dictated to me. > [@](#): > > \*\*[http://focus.hms.harvard.edu/2002/March8\_2002/injury\_control.html](http://focus.hms.harvard.edu/2002/March8_2002/injury_control.html) > How many of those kids do you think were killed by people defending themselves? :mad: \*\* :rolleyes: Funny thing, them statistics: > [@](#): > > A study led by Matthew Miller found that in states where more guns are available, children are more likely to be victims of firearm-related deaths. And I can raise the issue with a study that in states with more sunshine, people are more suntanned. What’s your point? I hope you don’t intend to outlaw sunshine, ‘cause then I’d get pissed off: I need some freakin’ warmth in my frozen location. I still maintain that a gun is an inanimate tool used to express the intent of the user. Any other reference you want to read is up to you. I didn’t draw racism into this, you did. Tripler It’s goddamn early, and I’m sleepy. ---
**Author:** ![unclviny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e274bd/32.png) [@unclviny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unclviny)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2002, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133/12 "2002-11-17T12:48:00Z")
rockford, As the OPof the “40 reasons” thread please allow me to invite you to actually read the thread, your view of it as “an obviously flawed argument for gun control” means that you did NOT read (or understand) it. And lay off tripler, he is defending YOUR freedom (and mine) EVERY DAY. unclviny ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2002, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133/13 "2002-11-17T13:08:51Z")
I would much prefer to have Tripler setting gun control policy than some knee-jerk weasel like Rockford. The thread started by unclviny is classic and should be required reading for anyone who wants to meddle with other people’s rights. For the record, I do not own any guns but I do firmly believe that I have a right to buy as many as I can afford. A quick look at the various terror warnings our government has issued makes me believe that if I want protection, I better provide it for myself. ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2002, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133/14 "2002-11-17T13:42:11Z")
Won’t somebody please think of the straw men. ---
**Author:** ![airdisc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e19adc/32.png) [@airdisc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/airdisc)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2002, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133/15 "2002-11-17T14:10:55Z")
Isn’t it bad enough that Tripler got supremely whooshed? ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2002, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133/16 "2002-11-17T14:40:32Z")
I think it’s funny that someone else was whooshed by **Tripler’s** whoosh. Good times on the SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2002, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133/17 "2002-11-17T15:01:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rockford \* > \*\*I hope you don’t mind the fact that thousands of people die needlessly every year so people like you can have the right to “protect yourselves.” \*\* Since Tripler is obviously too modest to debate this sentence, I’d like to point out that, on average, thousands of people like him die every year protecting our right to protect ourselves. Sometimes he uses a gun to accomplish that task. ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2002, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133/18 "2002-11-17T15:57:23Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Rockford_ > Now I’ll admit that a lot of those 40 reasons for gun control were pretty silly. Please point me to which of the 40 reasons you felt were not silly. I’d like to hear you back them up. Fuckface. Whooshed by the whoosh of the greatest whoosh ever. ---
**Author:** ![Myrr21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Myrr21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrr21)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2002, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133/19 "2002-11-17T16:18:05Z")
It just…keeps…going… ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Cynical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Mr.Cynical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Cynical)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2002, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133/20 "2002-11-17T16:55:10Z")
When whooshes are made illegal, only crimin…aw fuck it. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tripler-get-in-here/137133.md?page=2)