# Trivial Objections **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [September 3, 2024, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669 "2024-09-03T03:01:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669/1 "2024-09-03T03:01:22Z")
Over in GQ, @Wesley Clark asked, [Is there a name for the logical fallacy where you obsess over pedantic details to invalidate the opinions of others](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-name-for-the-logical-fallacy-where-you-obsess-over-pedantic-details-to-invalidate-the-opinions-of-others/1006654) Several informal names were suggested. @Measure_for_Measure posted a Wiki article titled [Trivial Objections](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivial_objections) and suggested it would be a good topic for this forum. I agree, in fact, if there was ever a game made for Dopers it would be nitpicking an argument, claim, or simple fact to death. So let’s play a game. The object is, in a single thread, nitpick the OP so hard that the original topic is completely forgotten, that posters who agreed at the beginning ended up disagreeing and vice versa, and that we don’t stop until our pets beg us to be fed, taken out, or let back in. Here’s a topic ready to be argued. Have at it! **The sky is blue** ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669/2 "2024-09-03T03:47:52Z")
The sky is violet, but our eyes are less sensitive to that color. So it appears blue, but it really isn’t. [Cite](https://www.weather.gov/fgz/SkyBlue). ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669/3 "2024-09-03T04:21:53Z")
I just went outside to check, and it looks black to me. Maybe black is the new blue? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669/4 "2024-09-03T04:33:05Z")
Yes, it would seem time of day is an important variable in this as well as whether it is overcast. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669/5 "2024-09-03T04:39:16Z")
Monet painted the sky with a range of colors. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Yes, it would seem time of day is an important variable in this as well as whether it is overcast. We have watches to tell us the time of day. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669/6 "2024-09-03T04:45:08Z")
Violet isn’t really a colour; in fact there are only 6 in the rainbow - the ancient Greeks thought 7 was the perfect number so added a colour to the rainbow that wasn’t really there. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669/7 "2024-09-03T05:04:59Z")
Lots of people do that. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669/8 "2024-09-03T05:26:24Z")
Back in the 1920s, the sky was a shade of gray. [![](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:kem5cevl5sjpizk4s27cbyig/bafkreif2pddjayzwghl7hp4zgdogtcdjzc6fxcjtuzhhrjifelkvy642li@jpeg) ](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:kem5cevl5sjpizk4s27cbyig/bafkreif2pddjayzwghl7hp4zgdogtcdjzc6fxcjtuzhhrjifelkvy642li@jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669/9 "2024-09-03T12:37:46Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > The sky is violet Indigo. ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669/10 "2024-09-03T15:05:14Z")
Cyan! ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669/11 "2024-09-03T15:06:21Z")
Azure! [https://y.yarn.co/2f44fafd-84b2-41b8-aa69-87da2639b1be.mp4](https://y.yarn.co/2f44fafd-84b2-41b8-aa69-87da2639b1be.mp4) ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669/12 "2024-09-03T15:11:44Z")
Azure is also the Microsoft cloud computing program. Whether it’s actually that color is a matter of debate. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669/13 "2024-09-03T15:19:32Z")
[You can actually trademark a color.](https://suiter.com/color-me-trademarked/) That ugly brown color UPS uses on its trucks is a unique shade that has no functional purpose, and thus is eligible for trademark. So if Microsoft’s azure color scheme is trademarked, then it can’t really be azure. And if it’s really azure, then it can’t be trademarked. ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669/14 "2024-09-03T16:36:45Z")
fwiw, @Wesley_Clark was the “Is there a name for the logical fallacy where you obsess over pedantic details to invalidate the opinions of others” asker, not @Wesley ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669/15 "2024-09-03T17:56:36Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#): > > Over in GQ, @Wesley Clark asked, [Is there a name for the logical fallacy where you obsess over pedantic details to invalidate the opinions of others](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-a-name-for-the-logical-fallacy-where-you-obsess-over-pedantic-details-to-invalidate-the-opinions-of-others/1006654) > > Several informal names were suggested. @Measure_for_Measure posted a Wiki article titled [Trivial Objections](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivial_objections) and suggested it would be a good topic for this forum. > > I agree, in fact, if there was ever a game made for Dopers it would be nitpicking an argument, claim, or simple fact to death. > > So let’s play a game. The object is, in a single thread, nitpick the OP so hard that the original topic is completely forgotten, that posters who agreed at the beginning ended up disagreeing and vice versa, and that we don’t stop until our pets beg us to be fed, taken out, or let back in. > > Here’s a topic ready to be argued. Have at it! > > **The sky is blue** Well, that wasn’t exactly what I meant. You’re assuming the original point was lost due to the nitpicking. What I’m describing is when someone obsesses over pedantic details and says if someone can’t score a perfect score in understanding those pedantic details, then all their opinions are invalid and wrong. ‘You called an AR-15 an assault rifle? The M16 is an assault rifle since that is fully automatic while the AR-15 is semi automatic. Therefore your opinions on red flag laws, bans on large capacity magazines and concealed carry permits are invalid’ Thats more what I meant. You don’t lose the original topic of conversation. You just assume nothing the other person says is valid because they didn’t answer the pedantic details correctly. I once said fully automatic weapons were mostly banned in 1934 due to the national firearms act. Then people got mad and said it was actually the firearm owners protection act of 1986 that truly counted. This was their response to me asking about assault weapons bans and red flag laws. Also they’d get mad if you said ‘banned’ instead of ‘harder to get’. You can still get fully automatic firearms, they’re just way more expensive than the semi automatic ones and you need to do a lot more paperwork. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669/16 "2024-09-03T18:05:37Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > ‘You called an AR-15 an assault rifle? The M16 is an assault rifle since that is fully automatic while the AR-15 is semi automatic. Therefore your opinions on red flag laws, bans on large capacity magazines and concealed carry permits are invalid’ The whole notion of “The Sky” is flawed. “The Sky” doesn’t actually exist, it’s merely an optical illusion, where we perceive a kind of “lid” on the world, due to our limited optical abilities. We see this at night, and during solar eclipses, when what we think of as “The Sky” utterly changes. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669/17 "2024-09-03T18:21:00Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > What I’m describing is when someone obsesses over pedantic details and says if someone can’t score a perfect score in understanding those pedantic details, then all their opinions are invalid and wrong. So: if you do not know every miniscule detail then you are clearly a dumbass and I can ignore what you are saying? I’m actually OK with that. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669/18 "2024-09-03T18:23:48Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > > [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > > > What I’m describing is when someone obsesses over pedantic details and says if someone can’t score a perfect score in understanding those pedantic details, then all their opinions are invalid and wrong. > > So: if you do not know every miniscule detail then you are clearly a dumbass and I can ignore what you are saying? I’m actually OK with that. Didn’t you say this? > [@Stamping a Google Slides presentation](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stamping-a-google-slides-presentation/1006467/4): > > I’m an idiot. Right-click in the margin pulls up comments. So I can do it like I do on Google Docs. Why does the opinion of someone who can’t even figure out how to work google slides matter exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669/19 "2024-09-03T18:25:43Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Why does the opinion of someone who can’t even figure out how to work google slides matter exactly? Because many others agree with the opinion that I am an idiot. Majority rules. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669/20 "2024-09-03T18:36:32Z")
But we are in the Dope which is run by an oligarchy of mods and which in no way resembles anything even approximating a democracy. So the majority means squat. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669.md?page=2)