# Trivial, yet controversial views (What are yours) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 25, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196 "2019-02-25T19:04:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196/121 "2019-02-28T03:52:52Z")
> [@dorvann](#): > > I definitely enjoyed Jay Leno way more David Letterman. Jay was the more personable of the two; I always found Letterman to be a little arrogant and pretentious. I tend to view Letterman and Leno in phases of their career: - Leno was the funnier stand-up comedian in his pre-hosting days. He was a very funny stand-up who told stories instead of lame jokes. - Letterman on NBC was the superior host. He was funny, sarcastic, and still trying. - Letterman’s first few years on CBS? He was still really funny and trying…and still better than Leno. - Letterman after his quintuple bypass-retirement? Terrible. He stopped trying, never left the studio, and went through the motions. Leno was superior at this point. Overall? Letterman at NBC was the tops. Leno was better in the end of their runs, but only because Dave quit years before he left. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196/122 "2019-02-28T03:53:14Z")
“We are a nation of immigrants.” Er, no; like a great many people, I’m not an immigrant; I was born here. My parents? Likewise. But _their_ parents? Also born here. Okay, but… …hang on, let me interrupt what could be a long chat; can I prove I’m a dentist by simply declaring that my father is a dentist? No, I’m not saying that he is; but that’s irrelevant, so long as _his_ father was a dentist. Granted, his father _wasn’t,_ so this sort of falls apart; only it _doesn’t,_ because: enough generations back, suddenly I’m a dentist! And so is my father, and my grandfather! Wait, that’s insane; we’re not that just because someone else was. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196/123 "2019-02-28T04:17:32Z")
Bacon should be juicy not crispy, and definitely not overcooked to the point it forms a cardboardy stick of blandness. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4bbf92/32.png) [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Hamsandwich)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196/124 "2019-02-28T04:18:48Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > My offshoot of this is while normalizing what used to be considered taboo or uncouth (such as being gay or trans) is healthy for an open society, it’s created the notion that unless you’re gay/trans/bi or something to that effect you aren’t normal and you’re in the wrong. > > Younger generations will be much more tolerant of those communities, but they’re also growing up thinking they’re incorrect for being “normal”. The [Heathers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heathers_(TV_series)) reboot is somewhat based on your premise, I think. It was universally panned by critics. Maybe it was way ahead of its time? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196/125 "2019-02-28T06:14:09Z")
There’s an uncomfortable number of people who belong to the “Believe the victims” camp and would never watch a Woody Allen flick, for example, but still give Michael Jackson’s music a complete pass based purely on happy nostalgia. ---
**Author:** ![MarvinKitFox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ba0ec/32.png) [@MarvinKitFox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MarvinKitFox)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196/126 "2019-02-28T06:49:07Z")
> [@ambivalid](#): > > xkcd just ain’t funny! heresy! Oi edit tool. I typed that in all caps! sigh. Ok, no all-caps, even when it is appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![LoneRhino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lonerhino/32/1311_2.png) [@LoneRhino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LoneRhino)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196/127 "2019-02-28T07:49:36Z")
> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > My favorite music genre is prog rock. Is this considered controversial? Definitely not trivial. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196/128 "2019-02-28T07:56:00Z")
Comic sans is a great font Gilbert Gottfried is fucking hilarious. His audio book version of “50 Shades of Grey” is particularly humorous. Classic rock (including Sabbath, Zepplin, Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac- or any variation thereof including solo artists - among others) are overplayed, overrated, and suck in general. The best song from the Rolling Stones is “She’s So Cold.” For the Beatles, it’s either “Penny Lane” or “The Ballad of John and Yoko.” ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196/129 "2019-02-28T08:22:59Z")
On scones, jam first, cream after. In tea, milk after. Always. Toilet rolls should be hung so you pull from the front. (At least one of those will usually start a stramash over here.) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196/130 "2019-02-28T10:57:45Z")
> [@dorvann](#): > > I actually liked the prequels as well and thought fans were overreacting when they complained them. Which lead me to believe maybe fans were overreacting when they said _The Star Wars Holiday Special_ was horrible. So I finally got around to watching it and I can honestly say _The Star Wars Holiday Special_ is probably the worst movie I have ever seen. It definitely deserves the scorn it gets and I have hard time believing anyone could say its good. It’s not even good in a “it’s so bad it’s good” way; there are parts of it that are just cringe-worthy. Just to annoy **Ambivalid** , I’m going to point out [there’s an xkcd for that](https://xkcd.com/653/). > [@PatrickLondon](#): > > On scones, jam first, cream after. I’m weird about this. If the scone is cool, it’s cream first and jam on top because that spreads more easily that way, but if it’s warm it’s jam first and then cream because otherwise the cream liquefies and the jam slides off into your lap. > [@](#): > > In tea, milk after. Always. Weird again - for me, it’s _sugar_ first, then tea, then milk. > [@](#): > > Toilet rolls should be hung so you pull from the front. I would agree but see the point about children and pets above. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196/131 "2019-02-28T11:45:12Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Comic sans is a great font > > Gilbert Gottfried is fucking hilarious. His audio book version of “50 Shades of Grey” is particularly humorous. > > Classic rock (including Sabbath, Zepplin, Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac- or any variation thereof including solo artists - among others) are overplayed, overrated, and suck in general. > > The best song from the Rolling Stones is “She’s So Cold.” > > For the Beatles, it’s either “Penny Lane” or “The Ballad of John and Yoko.” Lindsey Buckinghams album “Go Insane” is great’ ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196/132 "2019-02-28T13:20:40Z")
\*The Last Jedi _is one of the best, if not THE best, Star Wars films. And I’m saying that as a 44-year-old man who sleeps on Star Wars sheets_. - Sometimes. I mean, we have lots of sheets, being grownups and all, but the Star Wars set is definitely part of our rotation. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196/133 "2019-02-28T15:11:07Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > \*The Last Jedi _is one of the best, if not THE best, Star Wars films. And I’m saying that as a 44-year-old man who sleeps on Star Wars sheets_. > > - Sometimes. I mean, we have lots of sheets, being grownups and all, but the Star Wars set is definitely part of our rotation. I definitely agree with this one! I LOVED The Last Jedi and thought the decisions the filmmakers made in it were bold and something the series sorely needed ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196/134 "2019-02-28T15:25:19Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > “We are a nation of immigrants.” > > Er, no; like a great many people, I’m not an immigrant; I was born here. My parents? Likewise. But _their_ parents? Also born here. Okay, but… > > …hang on, let me interrupt what could be a long chat; can I prove I’m a dentist by simply declaring that my father is a dentist? No, I’m not saying that he is; but that’s irrelevant, so long as _his_ father was a dentist. Granted, his father _wasn’t,_ so this sort of falls apart; only it _doesn’t,_ because: enough generations back, suddenly I’m a dentist! And so is my father, and my grandfather! > > Wait, that’s insane; we’re not that just because someone else was. I get that you are trying to make an analogy, but really? Being a Dentist requires acquiring a body of knowledge through education, experience, and a professional designation. It’s just not a reasonable model for comparing to the designation of immigrant. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196/135 "2019-02-28T16:29:19Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > I get that you are trying to make an analogy, but really? Being a Dentist requires acquiring a body of knowledge through education, experience, and a professional designation. It’s just not a reasonable model for comparing to the designation of immigrant. I’m neither a dentist nor an immigrant — just as I’m not left-handed, and I’m also not Catholic, and I’m also not a Civil War veteran, and so on for quite a long list of other designations. And my father, as it happens, is also none of those. And his father was also none of those. And _his_ father, likewise. Now, my father and my grandfather and so on — they’re all related to someone who was each of those things. But I don’t much care that some of those things sure are different from others; what matters to me, what I want to emphasize, is that I don’t happen to be any of those — just as my father wasn’t, and his father wasn’t, and _his_ father wasn’t; plenty of us in this nation happen not to be any of those (or the child of someone who was, or the grandchild of someone who was). ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196/136 "2019-02-28T16:35:24Z")
Anyone who sports a tattoo immediately loses points in my overall assessment of them. mmm ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196/137 "2019-02-28T16:39:05Z")
- clears throat. _Ahem_ _Return of the Jedi_ was a damn good film. It certainly has its place alongside Ep. IV and Ep. V as part of one of the greatest film trilogies of all time. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196/138 "2019-02-28T16:42:18Z")
F. Scott Fitzgerald is a bad writer. _Buckaroo Banzai: Across the Eighth Dimension_ is a wonderful film and not because it’s so bad it’s good - it’s good. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196/139 "2019-02-28T16:47:58Z")
William Shatner’s collaboration with Ben Folds, “Has Been” is fantastic. And not ironically, just fantastic. Also their version of [Common People](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ainyK6fXku0) is better than Pulp’s. I own a live video clip that I have on FB [Ill try and link](https://www.facebook.com/dale.sams.5/videos/vb.100000048856479/101676443177317/?type=3) ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196/140 "2019-02-28T16:59:04Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > I definitely agree with this one! I LOVED The Last Jedi and thought the decisions the filmmakers made in it were bold and something the series sorely needed Sure left Abrams in a sore spot though. Johnson: “Thanks for having me over.” (kicks shattered toys on the way out.) That’s not a cliffhanger. The cliff has been destroyed. Maybe the outer systems didn’t respond because this First Order-Rebellion business is really on a scale of Honduras fighting El Salvador. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-yet-controversial-views-what-are-yours/830196.md?page=8)