# Troll List **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 23, 1999, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022 "1999-09-23T19:09:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 1999, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022/121 "1999-10-19T18:52:00Z")
Thank YOU, bjOrn. And now, since I understand that spelling trolls exist, too, please accept my new signature line. * * * Maybe I should just stick to smart-ass remarks. ---
**Author:** ![krish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c57346/32.png) [@krish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/krish)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 1999, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022/122 "1999-10-20T01:52:00Z")
I did not want this thread to be devoted to bj0rn anymore, so I created a thread called “rebj0rn as a troll…” to explain why bj0rn is an ignorant troll. I define troll the way it was explained to me, so if you’re interested, kaylasdad99, it’s there. As for link #3, I think I included it because he was addressed in the topic and I didn’t bother to actually look through the thread. woops! 😉 The reason everyone was upset with Thorleifur was because he posted his opinions about Americans in the GQ Forum instead of MPSIMS or the Pit (Great Debates did not exist back then.) I have to finish a paper for English, so I’ll post back later. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 1999, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022/123 "1999-10-20T03:34:00Z")
**krish** : > [@](#): > > The reason everyone was upset with Thorleifur was because he posted his opinions about Americans in the GQ Forum instead of MPSIMS or the Pit (Great Debates did not exist back then.) No, the reason Thorliefur was scorned was that even when he asked legitimate questions, he always phrased them “If you people are so great, why do you . . . .” Since his _manner_ of asking questions was pointed out to him on several occasions and he continued to use the same insulting style, it became obvious that either 1) he _chose_ to be insulting or 2) he really was too stupid to realize what he was doing. Either reason was more than sufficient to get him flamed. (It does not take a sociology major to realize that Manhattan, alone, with 5.5 times the number of people as Iceland on 1/1700 the amount of land is going to have more problems than Iceland–and the U.S. is a lot more than Manhattan.) However, for several weeks after this sort of discrepancy had been pointed out, Thorliefur continued to post questions in the same snide way. **kaylasdad99** is right that several of the questions were legitimate topics for research or discussion, but when Thorliefur wouldn’t drop his _attitude_, PapaBear smacked him upside the head with _his_ thread. Several of **bj0rn** ’s posts _have_ been hard to understand. His clarity seems to fade in and out like a shortwave radio. On the other hand, he can be amusing and he has posted valid comments and I suspect that a lot of folks have simply decided to hate him and choose to react violently to all his posts. Could he improve his clarity with better punctuation and capitalization? Sure. But he is not indecipherable. I figure he and his booing section are having a good time baiting each other. I have always felt that the S&G Police attitude of some posters does nothing to actually improve the Board, (I’m unlikely to be an S&G Cop target, myself), but I doubt that S&G Police are going to accept my views on the subject, so I generally don’t get involved with those feuds. * * * Tom~ ---
**Author:** ![bj0rn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@bj0rn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bj0rn)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 1999, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022/124 "1999-10-20T13:54:00Z")
kaylasdad99: you are signed 😉 tomnebb: yes, in those regards i suppose i am a shortwave radio…hehehe. but then again like a short wave radio, you just have to stay still and listen more carefully, preferably with the fingers on the fine tuning button. why? because sometimes i dont want to explain myself, i am either expecting people to understand it (related to earlier postings on the thread) or i want to see how people will understand it (related to what they want to see posted). when i do not quote directly, i am asking people to take it as it is and to put it into their perspective of the dicussion, perspective in regards to the people involved and the statements already made on the thread. if i dont want that, i quote or speak directly to the person involved(like im doing now). all in all, if you dont understand it, just shake your head and read on. if you understand it, see it as wrong, speak up! if you understand it, see it as right, do whatever you want. if you understand it, see its debatable, post a reply…noting your opinion on the matter. but noting your opinion on how it is posted is wrong. its like krish said: > [@](#): > > would you take a piece of writing more seriously if it were typed or scribbled in crayon? If your answer was the one in crayon, then I give up. i say again, it doesnt matter. what does matter is what it says. are you going to lable a piece of crayon writing as kid scribble just because its written in crayon? darn, i miss kindergarden (understand this as you want to, if you make a wrong comment about it, ill correct your error) bj0rn ---
**Author:** ![bj0rn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@bj0rn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bj0rn)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 1999, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022/125 "1999-10-20T13:57:00Z")
> [@](#): > > but noting your opinion on how it is posted is wrong. yes, that was bloody brilliant!!! \< (see, a looney sign) it was of course supposed to be: but NOT your opinion on how it is posted wrong ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 1999, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022/126 "1999-10-20T19:09:00Z")
I thought bj0rn used the Zero because it shows up with a slash through it in some fonts (like a Ø). * * * Quick-N-Dirty Aviation: Trading altitude for airspeed since 1992. ---
**Author:** ![krish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c57346/32.png) [@krish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/krish)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 1999, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022/127 "1999-10-20T21:36:00Z")
> [@](#): > > the reason Thorliefur was scorned was that even when he asked legitimate questions, he always phrased them “If you people are so great, why do you . . . .” Thorleifur’s attitude was a problem, but the reason PapaBear created his Iceland thread was becase he displayed this confrontational attitude in GQ. > [@](#): > > Somebody please tell me if the following retorical questions have a place in the GQ forum: The shortwave radio is a brilliant analogy. To extend it a bit further, I am the kind of person who becomes annoyed when the signal fades. It ruins the flow of the song, news piece, etc. to which I am listening. You hear that bj0rn, I just want better recep_ **STATIC** _on. I hope I made myself clear. ---
**Author:** ![Doobieous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Doobieous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doobieous)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 1999, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022/128 "1999-10-22T07:14:00Z")
I’m sorry guys for bringing Bj(zero)n back to the spotlight again but I just could not get the following quotes out of my mind. > [@](#): > > here in iceland we have laws that say you dont have to use proper grammar, just as long as you have a style of writing. Well sorry Bj(null)n but in the English language we do have rules of proper grammar. I am sure you learned how to be LITERATE in English as you were learning it. In fact,people who learn other languages as their second language are often more literate in the language than the natives (So why aren’t you?). As the saying goes, “When in Rome Do as the Romans do”. That quote of yours is just an excuse for you to get away with your poor handle of even the basic rules of the English language (such as capitalizing the first letter of the first word of each sentence and proper names). [QUOTE] a writer named halldór kiljan —Snip-- halldór didnt use proper grammar when he was writing —Snip— perhaps i am bothering you now with my lack of capitalization and other grammar thing —Snip—. but as i see it, its better to make it wrong my way(which really is right), that fail in trying to do it the right way. [QUOTE] And? You are just a poster on the SDMB who confounds, and annoys everyone else with your incoherency, and semi-illiteracy in a language you should have learned the basic rules for when you were learning it. The Difference between you and Halldór Kiljan (using correct capitalization for a proper name here) is that you are not writing a book where you can write it however you want. Here we at least try to follow the basic rules. It’s worse to not even recognize the basic rules of capitalization and simple punctuation than to fail in using them. At least if you fail, but still try to use them, you show you have at least tried to apply what you **should** have learned. You also say your way is right. Maybe in Icelandic, but not in English. If I were to apply the exact rules of punctuation and grammar of English to Spanish, my professors would fail me, and I would have to either rewrite what I have written or take the course over again to make up those lost credits. Despite the people of the country you dislike who speak English (AKA Americans), at least respect the language MOST of the posters here speak, and learn the proper rules of punctuation and grammar. There are many on-line grammars of English. Do a search on [www.yahoo.com](http://www.yahoo.com) for one and study up. ---
**Author:** ![bj0rn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@bj0rn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bj0rn)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 1999, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022/129 "1999-10-22T12:03:00Z")
krish: maybe you need a new radio?? 😉 (that was a bad one, sorry but i have to post it.) but thenagain, maybe i need a new transmitter (to save you the trouble of posting that one ;)). one question, do you know how its is to be blind? related to understanding what other people are saying of course. you have to either rely on how the words are spoken, or just plainly on what words are used. the logical choice is of course, the words that are used. now comes your part, to decipher what the other person said based on the words that were used. you can make you own assumption on what the meaning of the words are, and act on that assumption. but one thing you may not do, assume that what you translated into your type brainwaves is accually what the other person meant. so be careful at judgement day. my _ **static** _ …oy you. bj0rn ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 1999, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022/130 "1999-10-22T13:41:00Z")
**bj0rn** : > [@](#): > > do you know how its is to be blind? related to understanding what other people are saying of course. you have to either rely on how the words are spoken, or just plainly on what words are used. the logical choice is of course, the words that are used. You blew it on this one, bj0rn. Every one of us (who is not hearing impaired) listens to people as if we were blind every day. It’s called “radio.” While the content of the words is certainly important, it is simply untrue that you can determine the speaker’s meaning solely by “what words are used.” Phrasing, pacing, emphasis by inflection, volume, and tone. All are required to understand a speaker. Doubt it? Try getting the original text-to-audio software that simply translated text into monotone phonemes. It is nearly indecipherable if it is used to “read” more than a single sentence at a time. A single page of a novel or a scientific text really cannot be understood in those conditions. * * * Tom~ ---
**Author:** ![elelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@elelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elelle)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 1999, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022/131 "1999-10-22T23:41:00Z")
It may be that in the not too distant future, this message board thing will be conducted by voice only, rendering all the concern about grammar obsolete. Just think, ya won’t even have to be literate! I’m sure we can hardly wait. ---
**Author:** ![bj0rn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@bj0rn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bj0rn)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 1999, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022/132 "1999-10-25T10:04:00Z")
tomnebb: > [@](#): > > You blew it on this one, bj0rn. Every one of us (who is not hearing impaired) listens to people as if we were blind every day. It’s called “radio.” While the content of the words is certainly important, it is simply untrue that you can determine the speaker’s meaning solely by “what words are used.” Phrasing, pacing, emphasis by inflection, volume, and tone. All are required to understand a speaker. yes, i know exacly what you mean, but you are missing one point of it, you are assuming the speaker is a native in that language. people learning a language might not know where to emphasise or how to tone that word and so on. that is what i meant with: “…or just plainly on what words are used”. thank you (with a certain tone of voice) bj0rn ---
**Author:** ![krish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c57346/32.png) [@krish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/krish)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 1999, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022/133 "1999-10-25T20:33:00Z")
> [@](#): > > might not know where to emphasise or how to tone that word and so on. Sorry, bj0rn, but that is strike two. A person speaks differently when he wants to show that he is upset than how he does if he wants to show his anger. This is true regardless of the language he uses to express these emotions. I have never heard a person learning English talk in monotone because he did not understand the finer points of the language. ---
**Author:** ![Doobieous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Doobieous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doobieous)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 1999, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022/134 "1999-10-26T03:27:00Z")
> [@](#): > > yes, i know exacly what you mean, but you are missing one point of it, you are assuming the speaker is a native in that language. people learning a language might not know where to emphasise or how to tone that word and so on. that is what i meant with: “…or just plainly on what words are used”. Bjorn: Even if someone is not native in a language, ALL of the languages I have had experience with (Japanese, Tagalog, Spanish, and of course, English) convey meaning, tone, emotion, etc. the same way. I have NEVER come across ANYONE who had trouble getting their feelings across, emphasizing certain points, or stating facts in a language they are learning. It’s handled the same way in ALL of the languages I have been exposed to. Although you might be excused. Maybe Icelandic uses a drop in voice for anger, a raise in pitch at the end of sentences for statements, and yelling to ask questions. Perhaps that is why you are trying to argue this silly point LOL. ---
**Author:** ![bj0rn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@bj0rn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bj0rn)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 1999, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022/135 "1999-10-26T09:02:00Z")
here are a couple of statements from MPSIMS - mispronounced words > [@](#): > > I lived in Germany when I was a kid and had never seen a miniseries. Whenever I saw the word in a magazine or book I pronounced it “miNIzeries” - as one word, not “mini” then “series”. I had no idea what a miniseries was. > > My husband, to this day, pronounces adamant “Adam Ant”. > [@](#): > > I can’t stop myself from pronouncing “especially” as “expecially.” My wife thinks it’s quite hilarious. go to the tread for more [http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001908.html](http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001908.html)[Mispronounced words] then there is the [http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001830.html](http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001830.html)[Favorite mistakes (your own or someone else’s) made in language class] here is one for people who are lazy > [@](#): > > One of the most common mistakes students in beginning (or later) Russian make is to not paying attention to stress and mutation. These are both _real_ important things. > > When a student misplaces the stress in the verb “to write,” it becomes “to pee.” and the best of it is, i didnt even write it myself 🙂 bj0rn ---
**Author:** ![bj0rn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@bj0rn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bj0rn)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 1999, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022/136 "1999-10-26T09:05:00Z")
erf…darn…ugh…urls!! here they are again, and no fancy stuff this time: mispr. words: [http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001908.html](http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001908.html) fav. mistake: [http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001830.html](http://www.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001830.html) ---
**Author:** ![bj0rn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@bj0rn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bj0rn)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 1999, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022/137 "1999-10-26T09:26:00Z")
and one more thing(i just cant get enough) you know this guy who played the teacher in “ferris buellers day off”, whats his name again, Ben Stein…yes thats the guy. you know how he talks. bj0rn ---
**Author:** ![krish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c57346/32.png) [@krish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/krish)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 1999, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022/138 "1999-10-27T01:34:00Z")
Okay, bj0rn, you obviously don’t realize the difference between reality and fiction! Ben Stein speaks in monotone only for that movie, episodes of the Wonder Years, and Clear Eyes ™ commercials. On his game show, Stein does display emotion in his voice. His voice might be a very nasal, but there is definitely emotion in it. Your links talk about pronouncing words. That is completely different than expressing ideas with emotion. You can tell if a person is angry by the sound of his words regardless of whether he pronounces all of them perfectly. ---
**Author:** ![bj0rn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@bj0rn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bj0rn)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 1999, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022/139 "1999-10-27T10:21:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Your links talk about pronouncing words. That is completely different than expressing ideas with emotion. You can tell if a person is angry by the sound of his words regardless of whether he pronounces all of them perfectly. you didnt get it did you?? ok then, ill repeat it. thank you (with a certain tone of voice!!!) got that? bj0rn ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 1999, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022/140 "1999-10-27T16:45:00Z")
bj0rn, ## Nobody on this board will EVER get it. Go away. Eat lava and die. Stop annoying us. Go plant some trees on that damn rock in the Atlantic. Enter the “Worlds Strongest Man Competition” and get crushed by a log. Become the mayor of Reykjavick, do SOMETHING to decrease the amount of time you have on your hands and thus devote to this board. Coldfire * * * “You know how complex women are” - Neil Peart, Rush (1993) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/troll-list/3022.md?page=8)