# Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349 "2020-06-27T06:30:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 100
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1987 "2020-12-17T18:54:43Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > He’s clearly dismissing the idea DA could be right. Actually, he’s saying that DA is accusing anyone who supports AA of being a racist, which DA proved true by then declaring LHOD of being a racist simply for saying this. Eta: the fact that DA isn’t right is just the cherry on top ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1988 "2020-12-17T18:55:08Z")
omigod “he started it he started it he started it” is so silly. I probably started it in this thread based on Demontree’s execrable behavior throughout the board. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1989 "2020-12-17T18:56:24Z")
Who cares? Appears he was right – you’re unrepentant about inaccurately characterizing what he said. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1990 "2020-12-17T19:01:03Z")
Why the fuck should I ‘repent’ possibly misunderstanding something he wrote as being offensive? Which understanding he’s done nothing to dispel, either. At least he’s willing to admit he started it rather than continue pretending I did - may as well be back in school again. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1991 "2020-12-17T19:03:35Z")
This post somehow attracted the self-absorbed loonies like… I don’t know what they like:( The sound of their own voice? Off to the ignore list-- The lot of you. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1992 "2020-12-17T19:04:02Z")
Which reminds me, I’ve wasted enough time here for one day. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1993 "2020-12-17T19:04:12Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > rather than continue pretending I did Another baseless accusation! Do you just lie out of laziness, or is there another reason? ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1994 "2020-12-17T19:08:51Z")
In the prior post, he said: > [@damuriajashi](#): > > And you are a racist. You don’t think you are because your racism is hurting a group that you think is is doing well enough to handle a little racism. > [@](#): > > Do you treat your asian students with the same contempt you show to the asian community in general? Still no mention of structural racism. Only personal. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1995 "2020-12-17T19:09:53Z")
As I said to Damuri, I’m happy to have people demonstrate who they are. If DemonTree wants to go all “he started it!” and then accuse me of saying she started it, or whatever the fuck she’s doing, that’s cool: she’s a disingenuous asshole, and her behavior right here is more evidence of that. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1997 "2020-12-17T19:17:08Z")
I’m looking forward to the whines of “UNFAIR” when damuriajashi gets his ‘hand’, at least, slapped for calling someone a racist in FUCKING ATMB like he’s a goddamn n00b. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1998 "2020-12-17T19:23:49Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > On the contrary; when people show who they are, I appreciate it. Your shitty personalization of the argument is obviously nonsense, but it helps to build the case that you’re a toxic turd who has no place on the board, and I encourage you to continue in this vein. It’s not personal. I think you are a racist. I don’t think it is a terminal condition, it is simply what youa re based on your current beliefs and practices. You can change. Try to be a better human being. If only for the sake of your asian students. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Possibly because you were posting things about him without bothering to cite or otherwise support your characterization of him in any way? Oh great, now this idiot shows up. Aren’t you the racist that said that losing a bunch pg asians seats overwhelmingly to unqualified white kids was an acceptable sacrifice in the pursuit of social justice? > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > This whole “who started it” isn’t especially important. If anyone other than damuri is unconvinced that DemonTree is a disingenuous asshole, I’m happy to clarify; but I think her behavior here amply demonstrates what she’s demonstrated elsewhere. So everyone on the other side of the debaate from you is an disingenuous asshole and the only people who you think can present a valid argument otherwise are the people who already agree with you? That’s is how you build an acoustically impermeable echo chamber. > [@Babale](#): > > Actually, he’s saying that DA is accusing anyone who supports AA of being a racist, which DA proved true by then declaring LHOD of being a racist simply for saying this. If LHOD has just appeared on the board today and didn’t have a history of racist positions on affirmative action then you would be correct. But LHOD has been around for a while and when he defends affirmative action as it is practiced today, he is supporting racist discrimination against asians. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > omigod “he started it he started it he started it” is so silly. I probably started it in this thread based on Demontree’s execrable behavior throughout the board. This is the pit. It’s allowed. The problem is that they are allowing too much of it in great debates. > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I’m looking forward to the whines of “UNFAIR” when damuriajashi gets his ‘hand’, at least, slapped for calling someone a racist in FUCKING ATMB like he’s a goddamn n00b. I was told that the great debates rules don’t apply in ATMB. I was called a liar and noone seemed to think that was a problem. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1999 "2020-12-17T19:25:25Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > So everyone on the other side of the debaate from you is an disingenuous asshole Nope. Plenty of people disagree with me without having to be liars about it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2000 "2020-12-17T19:26:04Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > Oh great, now this idiot shows up. > Aren’t you the racist that said that losing a bunch pg asians seats overwhelmingly to unqualified white kids was an acceptable sacrifice in the pursuit of social justice? No. I always thought you were weird, but does it turn out you’re a liar too? Or maybe you’re just too stupid to accurately characterize arguments, and you can only default to a handful of straw men about “woke hives” or whatever that have stuck within your little brain? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2001 "2020-12-17T19:26:45Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > If anyone other than damuri is unconvinced that DemonTree is a disingenuous asshole I’m unconvinced that you are being fair to disingenuous assholes. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2002 "2020-12-17T19:27:41Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > noone While we’re critiquing other people’s mastery of English… I’m sure ‘’‘someone’‘’ will be along shortly to complain about that not being a word. ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2003 "2020-12-17T19:28:28Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I reported that shit. I’m trying to report things more. That utter clusterfuck of a thread seemed a damned good place to start. Your efforts to purify the echo chamber are noted. The clusterfuck starts down that road with the first steps made by the denizens of the echo chamber. But of course you’re the victim. Woke people on this site are like christians complaining about the war against christianity in an overwhelmingly christian nation. If it wasn’t so harmful it would be sad and pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2004 "2020-12-17T19:31:40Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > Woke people on this site are like christians complaining about the war against christianity in an overwhelmingly christian nation. If it wasn’t so harmful it would be sad and pathetic You’re cute when you’re sooooo close and yet soooo far ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2005 "2020-12-17T19:36:38Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > The clusterfuck starts down that road with the first steps made by the denizens of the echo chamber. But of course you’re the victim. Where did I claim to be a victim? People are always bitching about biased reporting so I decided to start reporting shit regardless of who is involved. I barely know who you are. You hate Affirmative Action because Asians. Fine. Go let your freak flag fly. Just don’t call people racist in ATMB and you won’t get modded for it. And I reported the entire thread, FWIW. Your personal insult was just the most obvious place to start. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2006 "2020-12-17T19:47:55Z")
God, those two (da and demontree) finally convinced me to add some people to my ignore list (namely, those two). _sigh_ The quiet is divine… ---
**Author:** ![damuriajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@damuriajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/damuriajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2007 "2020-12-17T19:54:32Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Nope. Plenty of people disagree with me without having to be liars about it. What did I lie about? You seem to be acknowledging that disagreeing with you is not lying. Is calling you a racist a lie? How would you know you are racist if you are blind to your own racism? Because your woke friends tell you you aren’t racist? If you support a policy that would discrimimante against asians, you are racist. It doesn’t make you hitler and you can become a better person (we all can) but you are in fact being racist. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No. I always thought you were weird, but does it turn out you’re a liar too? Or maybe you’re just too stupid to accurately characterize arguments, and you can only default to a handful of straw men about “woke hives” or whatever that have stuck within your little brain? In response to a question about how you justify replacing asians with mostly white students, you reply: “I justify this change because it provides a better distribution of kids in terms of opportunity. It still allows tons and tons of Asian kids, and it doesn’t discriminate in any way at all, except by GPA.” You dismiss the fact that more accompoished asians are puished aside for less academically accomplished white kids by saying: “That’s a side affect, not the goal. It’s still better than the status quo, though. With the status quo, black and Hispanic kids are underserved by this educational service. This lessens this, without underserving Asian kids. Asian kids still have plenty of access to this (and other) quality educational services in the area.” This all seems like you are saying that asian casualties are an acceptable collateral damage of pursuing social justice. This is what makes you a racist. You are significantly worse than LHOD in this respect because his attitudes are not taken with such a blatantly cavalier attitude towards the effects of this "social justice’ on asian kids. > [@Selective Magnet School in Virginia moving towards a lottery system](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/selective-magnet-school-in-virginia-moving-towards-a-lottery-system/922347/67): > > How do you justify the status quo, with virtually no black or Hispanic kids? I justify this change because it provides a better distribution of kids in terms of opportunity. It still allows tons and tons of Asian kids, and it doesn’t discriminate in any way at all, except by GPA. Only more fair and equitable than the status quo. Still not a perfectly fair or equitable solution. Huh? Where have I said anything contrary? And this new policy doesn’t discriminate against Asians in any way. … [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=99) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=101)