# Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349 "2020-06-27T06:30:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 106
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2020, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2108 "2020-12-22T10:54:06Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > **lissener** is banned from talking about Verhoeven on the board, IIRC. Maybe we don’t poke him over that. At the risk of saying _BeetleJuice_ one time too many, what is this Verhoeven of which we speak? The **[wiki disambiguation page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verhoeven)** lists a bewildering array of Dutch people by that name, a fictional character, a few companies, and an extinct rodent. None seem obsession-worthy but I’m not a nutbag. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2020, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2109 "2020-12-22T11:53:31Z")
Paul Verhoeven, the director of Showgirls and Starship Troopers. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2110 "2020-12-22T15:04:00Z")
**lissener** may have been right about _Starship Troopers_ but probably not the way he thinks. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/P1M69CVXze4/maxresdefault.jpg "Honest Trailers | Starship Troopers (ft Casper Van Dien)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1M69CVXze4) 3:19: “[A] work of subversive genius that was definitely misunderstood when it first came out but now enough time has passed for the world to realize it’s not a dumb war movie. It’s just a movie about using war to take advantage of dumb people.” ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2020, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2111 "2020-12-22T15:46:26Z")
Also _Robocop_, which had a lot to say about future urban American society. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2112 "2020-12-23T01:01:44Z")
[jimmyjoeraybubbabob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimmyjoeraybubbabob) won’t be joining us for the rest of his life, regrettably. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2113 "2020-12-23T13:59:33Z")
Some may call this trolling but it seems like a perfectly reasonable argument to me: > [@A charge of voting fraud has been brought! (Against a Trump voter, natch)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-charge-of-voting-fraud-has-been-brought-against-a-trump-voter-natch/928683/14): > > “Furthering President Trump’s campaign” doesn’t necessarily mean he actually voted “Trump” on the fraudulent ballot. Indeed. Just because a registered Republican registered his (dead) mother as a Republican and confessed that his purpose was to “further President Trump’s campaign” there’s no reason to assume that he used that illegal ballot to vote for Donald Trump. We can’t possibly even speculate what he might have done as there’s no evidence to even hint at it. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2114 "2020-12-23T14:04:08Z")
The responses to that are hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2115 "2020-12-23T15:16:22Z")
I predict **Johnny\_Reb** won’t be around long. > [@U.S. Courts: Does a witness still swear on a Bible?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-courts-does-a-witness-still-swear-on-a-bible/685653/39): > > You are mentally ill. Please get the help you desperately need. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2116 "2020-12-23T18:32:15Z")
Over in Politics and Elections, friend [agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem) makes a valiant attempt to derail the thread with a distraction technique, and gets slapped down by the mods. He tried the old “Trump is not that bad, because you can’t definitively prove that he raped a child” technique. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2117 "2020-12-24T00:26:57Z")
He’s a Google hit-and-run type. Won’t be back. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2118 "2020-12-24T12:59:00Z")
I’m quite surprised D’Aconia didn’t get a trolling warning for the posts in the Trump voting fraud thread. Either it is trolling or D’Aconia truly is the moroning moron who ever moroned. Since it is pretty impossible to be that stupid and still have a functioning brain stem, it has to be trolling. > [@A charge of voting fraud has been brought! (Against a Trump voter, natch)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-charge-of-voting-fraud-has-been-brought-against-a-trump-voter-natch/928683/35): > > You are so cute I could just pinch your chubby cheeks! ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2119 "2020-12-24T16:16:48Z")
Maybe he could be warned for terminal obtuseness? All I know is that if I’m ever on trial for something, I’d like him on my jury. Prosecution: "OK, you were found covered in blood with the knife in your hand and you said, “I can’t believe I killed that guy.” **D’Anconia** : “It could have been anyone, it’s impossible to tell!” ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2120 "2020-12-29T19:19:39Z")
@Fiddle_Peghead is sealioning again, and on the exact same topic he was sealioning on back in September. Just asking the exact same dumb ass questions and chastising me for being so rude as to point that out. > [@Trump's Possible Crimes](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/24): > > I’m not really so sure, though, why so many think he has cheated on his taxes. > [@Trump's Possible Crimes](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/34): > > I’ll hold off judgement until the investigation is complete. > [@Trump's Possible Crimes](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/131): > > And I don’t get why you have to be so argumentative, btw. > [@Trump's Possible Crimes](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/40): > > He very well may have, but do you not even want to see actual evidence before you decide? > [@Trump's Possible Crimes](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trumps-possible-crimes/928853/133): > > But again, why can’t you just say so politely. Why the “bullshit” remark? I don’t get it. Here’s a link to the start of the discussion of his sealioning in this thread a few months ago… > [@Skywatcher](#): > > “Who Wants to Be a Sealion” ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2121 "2020-12-29T19:39:46Z")
If you don’t have a good answer to my questions, then you can just say so. You don’t have to ignore them. But do as you please. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2122 "2020-12-29T19:41:43Z")
I have awesome answers to your questions you fucking nit wit. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2123 "2020-12-29T19:50:22Z")
Then why not go back to that thread, and rather than take one sentence out of the number of sentences I wrote about Fox being more fair during the day than MSNBC, and address my main point. And this is, Steve Schmidt et. al. don’t have to debate the other side when they come on at night. That’s the whole point. Fox regularly had pundits on from both sides. As for online discussions, they are a give and take. If I try and make a point, and you attempt to refute it by not actually addressing it, but instead by changing the subject, what’s the point? Nothing good would come from these discussions, because there would never be any. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2124 "2020-12-29T19:51:27Z")
Try again, this time balancing a ball on your nose. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2125 "2020-12-29T19:52:46Z")
nm, who gives a shit, clearly you also have nothing of any import to say. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2126 "2020-12-29T20:01:14Z")
Step it up people! Fiddle wants some good imported snark, not your weak domestic crap! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2127 "2020-12-29T20:05:06Z")
Awww, I preferred your first, unedited version. It imagined that I actually cared! How cute! Now, you come across as a sad, bitter little man. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=105) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=107)