# Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349 "2020-06-27T06:30:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 108
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2148 "2020-12-29T23:08:36Z")
How am I supposed to know what definition Lance\_Turbo is referring to? Now that a link was posted to the cartoon, I remember it, but it did not occur to me today. But when I quoted Wiki above, I was making a good-faith effort to provide a definition of “sealioning”, so I could make my argument about how I don’t think I am guilty of it. I thank _exactly none of you_ for bothering to respond to it. Good night. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2149 "2020-12-29T23:10:00Z")
If only someone else had bothered. I forgot to thank you, so thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2150 "2020-12-29T23:10:21Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > I remain imminently polite in my posts, It’s eminently, not imminently. As to the charge of cheating on taxes, Trump has reportedly admitted to doing so during multiple golf outings when one of his foursome would accuse him of cheating. He retorted, “I cheat on my wives, I cheat on my taxes, you don’t think I’m going to cheat in golf on my own course?” The Youtube link is to right before the story, but the whole thing about his cheating is pretty interesting. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/LIiaFMOfbwY/maxresdefault.jpg "Sportswriter Rick Reilly On Donald Trump's Golf Cheating") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIiaFMOfbwY&t=1047) ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2151 "2020-12-29T23:10:43Z")
Sure! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2152 "2020-12-29T23:11:17Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > Yes, the tune where I was having a discussion and I just wanted an answer. No-What you obviously want is for conversation to stop on a topic(Trump’s Possible Crimes), so you try to divert the conversation to a new topic(MSNBC vs. FOX) in as abrupt a way as possible by leading with a ridiculous opinion that is guaranteed to provoke(FOX is much more even-handed than MSNBC). It doesn’t even matter if you believe it or not as long as it gets the job done, right? ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2153 "2020-12-29T23:11:41Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > It’s eminently, not imminently. Well, damn, somebody noticed! It didn’t look right at first, but then I checked, but it was too late to change it. 😡 Thanks for the correction, though. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2154 "2020-12-29T23:12:13Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > But when I quoted Wiki above, I was making a good-faith effort to provide a definition of “sealioning”, so I could make my argument about how I don’t think I am guilty of it. You know where else one can find a link to the original cartoon besides in multiple posts this thread? On the Wikipedia page referenced above, that’s where. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2155 "2020-12-29T23:19:00Z")
You could not possibly more wrong. I truly do not give a fuck if the conversation had stopped, or if it continues for the next four years. And you know why? Because I like have discussions here on the Dope. Love it in fact. So when I said what I said about Fox vs MSNBC, it’s just because it had occurred to me, and I believe it, and I was looking for other opinions. I wanted to know others’ experiences might have been, because quite frankly I was a bit shocked when I started watching Fox back then. It did not surprise me in the least when no one wanted to to talk about it. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2156 "2020-12-29T23:20:14Z")
Next time, post it then, and stop putting your mistake to do so on me. I Binged “sealioning”, went to Wiki, and got the definition from the first paragraph, and then brought it on over here. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2157 "2020-12-29T23:21:01Z")
He’s sealioning a discussion about how he is sealioning. “Goodness, I don’t understand what this term means. Maybe you could explain it to me for the 14th time, and provide another 8 links. Thanks ever so much.” It’s all pretty meta. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2158 "2020-12-29T23:25:33Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > “Goodness, I don’t understand what this term means. Maybe you could explain it to me for the 14th time, and provide another 8 links. Thanks ever so much.” Stunning, truly stunning. I did not say I didn’t understand it. I tried to explain, using the definition itself, how what I did does not fit it. I understand the definition! If you had bothered to respond to that, maybe we’d have something to talk about. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2159 "2020-12-29T23:26:01Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > Next time, post it then, and stop putting your mistake to do so on me. It. Was. Already. Posted. Jesus fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2160 "2020-12-29T23:27:03Z")
You. Didn’t. Make. That. Clear. I. Am. Not. A. Mind. Reader. JESUS. FUCK. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2161 "2020-12-29T23:28:05Z")
It did not require mind reading. Just regular reading. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2162 "2020-12-30T00:06:43Z")
I’ll just say that if you can remember such a detail, like a rather innocuous line about being “unfailingly polite” from something that was posted four months ago, you have a much better memory than I. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2163 "2020-12-30T01:48:24Z")
Speaking of sea lions… > [@Why can't people understand this (covid protocols and policies vs reality)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-cant-people-understand-this-covid-protocols-and-policies-vs-reality/929178/35): > > Why didn’t you cite the stringency index itself, instead of someone else’s OPINION about it? Jump to that post and follow the comment chain up a bit for a truly epic example. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2164 "2020-12-30T01:53:27Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > He’s sealioning a discussion about how he is sealioning. It’s sealions all the way down. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2165 "2020-12-30T13:57:31Z")
After considering this a bit more, I’ve come to a conclusion: If asking someone not to be rude to me, and if asking a follow-up question in a discussion is sealioning, then in this instance, I am a sealion. I accept the label willingly and proudly in this instance. Are we all happy now? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2166 "2020-12-30T14:09:32Z")
If trolling people makes you a troll, then you are proud to be a troll. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2167 "2020-12-30T14:16:05Z")
No, because that means you are a confessed, unrepentant, and unpunished troll. I would like the last of those 3 to change. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=107) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=109)