# Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349 "2020-06-27T06:30:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 115
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2288 "2021-01-06T20:33:32Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > > [@running\_coach](#): > > > > I _really_ want to see the GOP come up with a “both sides do it” for this. > > Ted Cruz has come close with a passive-aggressive dig: when he tweeted for the violence to stop he said something like “political violence has no place on either the left or the right”. - Someone should remind him that no matter how ugly his wife is, he chose the uglier Trump over her. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2289 "2021-01-06T20:45:18Z")
Re: agzem – > [@Warnings in Politics & Elections](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/warnings-in-politics-elections/929717/52): > > I retract my earlier defense. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2290 "2021-01-06T20:46:23Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I _really_ want to see the GOP come up with a “both sides do it” for this. I _just_ saw someone on FB do that. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2021, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2291 "2021-01-06T21:07:12Z")
I hereby apologize for being wrong, at least in this specific insane instance. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2292 "2021-01-07T04:42:15Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Someone should remind him that no matter how ugly his wife is, he chose the uglier Trump over her. [https://scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/p1080x1080/136066278\_833136904136452\_8202714969177593328\_n.jpg?\_nc\_ht=scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagram.com&\_nc\_cat=104&\_nc\_ohc=YHsprJeTrSwAX-I2aSq&tp=1&oh=18637340d5cf8d581472c7903bcbdda2&oe=6020B8D2](https://scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/p1080x1080/136066278_833136904136452_8202714969177593328_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=104&_nc_ohc=YHsprJeTrSwAX-I2aSq&tp=1&oh=18637340d5cf8d581472c7903bcbdda2&oe=6020B8D2) ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2293 "2021-01-07T06:32:46Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I _really_ want to see the GOP come up with a “both sides do it” for this. They’re doing more than that. They’re saying the Left, not Trump supporters, did **this**. Matt Gaetz, Mo Brooks, Laura Ingraham, Sarah Palin, and probably more that I’m unaware of have all made statements blaming antifa for the violence at the Capitol. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2294 "2021-01-07T06:59:00Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Matt Gaetz, Mo Brooks, Laura Ingraham, Sarah Palin, and probably more that I’m unaware of have all made statements blaming antifa for the violence at the Capitol. That will get harder to sustain as shared selfies on social media start revealing the decidedly un-“antifa” backgrounds of the participants. Still, by and large the Trumpists don’t need to actually sustain their claims, they just need to make them and rely on their audience’s lack of critical thinking skills to ensure their acceptance. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2295 "2021-01-07T07:05:43Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > That will get harder to sustain as shared selfies on social media start revealing the decidedly un-“antifa” backgrounds of the participants. Still, by and large the Trumpists don’t need to actually sustain their claims, they just need to make them and rely on their audience’s lack of critical thinking skills to ensure their acceptance Newly elected West Virginia state rep Derrick Evans(R) actually filmed himself storming the Capitol with the rest of the thugs, and posted it to his Facebook, but later took it down after perhaps realizing that wasn’t a real smart move. > **[West Virginia Lawmaker Among Those Who Stormed U.S. Capitol (Published 2021)](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/derrick-evans-west-virginia-capitol.html)** > > The lawmaker, Derrick Evans, posted a video showing himself in the crowd rushing into the building. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2296 "2021-01-07T10:27:27Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Newly elected West Virginia state rep Derrick Evans® actually filmed himself storming the Capitol with the rest of the thugs, and posted it to his Facebook, but later took it down after perhaps realizing that wasn’t a real smart move. That’s spectacularly dumb. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2297 "2021-01-07T15:04:41Z")
Wow. “I want to assure you all that I did not have any negative interactions with law enforcement nor did I participate in any destruction that may have occurred,” he wrote. “I was simply there as an independent member of the media to film history.” a.k.a. the Pete Townshend defense. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2298 "2021-01-07T15:24:43Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Newly elected West Virginia state rep Derrick Evans® actually filmed himself storming the Capitol with the rest of the thugs, and posted it to his Facebook, but later took it down after perhaps realizing that wasn’t a real smart move. He’s now claiming he was there as “independent media”. Of course the video of him shouting “We’re in! We’re in! Derrick Evans is in the Capitol!” might be used as evidence he was not. ETA: And I’m twenty minutes late with this and need to up my thread-skimming game! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2299 "2021-01-07T20:14:58Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > That will get harder to sustain as shared selfies on social media start revealing the decidedly un-“antifa” backgrounds of the participants Those are facts. Facts do not matter one iota to the Trumplicans. If they say it was Antifa, then that is what the Trumpist useful idiots will believe. Facts? HA ha ha. Facts mean nothing to them. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2300 "2021-01-07T20:24:32Z")
Don’t Antifa types at least wear masks to obscure their faces? The schmucks yesterday seemed not to care if they were identifiable. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2301 "2021-01-07T20:26:50Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > The schmucks yesterday seemed not to care if they were identifiable. The wearing of a mask is a sign of weakness, because it shows you might believe that Covid exists. So spaketh the Dear Leader. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2302 "2021-01-08T00:23:14Z")
Not only that, but contradictions mean nothing. It was antifa trying to make Trumpists look bad, and also, they totally approve of what happened, because the Trumpists showed congress what’s what. Or something. There is no cognitive dissonance when there is no cognition… ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2303 "2021-01-09T05:15:50Z")
I’m confused. Is this the troll ID thread or one on current events? ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2304 "2021-01-09T06:14:59Z")
Sometimes trolls break out into meatspace. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2305 "2021-01-10T01:36:51Z")
**zoster** is now making a fine mess in the Labour / anti-Semitism thread. > [@The depths of Britain's Labor (they say Labour) party anti-Semitism](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-depths-of-britains-labor-they-say-labour-party-anti-semitism/927204): > > Seems like there is so much anti-semitism in the England Labour party even the Jewish members are involved. [https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/labour-suspends-senior-jvl-official-after-deeply-unpleasant-meeting-1.509331](https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/labour-suspends-senior-jvl-official-after-deeply-unpleasant-meeting-1.509331) After that accident with Corbyn being mistakenly kicked out, this looks like a “right mess” as the folk across the pond might say. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2306 "2021-01-11T16:13:53Z")
ishamael69 is leading everyone by the nose, and lying about what I posted in [this](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-we-been-taken-for-a-ride/930232) thread in Politics. The performance is almost troll art. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2307 "2021-01-11T16:21:04Z")
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