# Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349 "2020-06-27T06:30:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 116
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2308 "2021-01-11T17:30:40Z")
Maybe the White Whale will eat him. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2309 "2021-01-11T18:10:05Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > ishamael69 is leading everyone by the nose, and lying about what I posted in [this](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-we-been-taken-for-a-ride/930232) thread in Politics. The performance is almost troll art. Thread closed and troll warned. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2310 "2021-01-11T18:14:22Z")
I’d like to add **FriendlyCurmudgeon** to the list. First, he spouts off some both-sides nonsense, then when called on it, drops some bullshit cite and claims he’s off to a swinger party. This is in the “I pit normal good Republicans” pit thread, which I don’t want to link to as it only risks FC coming here to stink up this thread as well. When he’s done swinging. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2311 "2021-01-11T21:15:55Z")
Right wing troll whines about RW trolls being moderated: > [@Question about thread closing ("Have we all been taken for a ride?")](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/question-about-thread-closing-have-we-all-been-taken-for-a-ride/930276/12): > > Personally I think Hari Seldon should step down from being a moderator or be removed by his peers. This type of thing is a constant issue with him. (Not that the rest of the staff are great either WRT this, but he is by far the worst, ISTM.) ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2312 "2021-01-11T21:44:12Z")
Interesting that in that thread, most of the posters are against the thread being closed (and apparently against the warning, although most of them don’t speak about that directly. I don’t know those posters well enough to be able to identify them as right-wing apologists or otherwise. They also seem to have read a different thread from the one I read. Yes, there were a lot of helpful posts from other posters, but the OP, aside from some bobbing and weaving to make it seem like he was absorbing some of it, was persistently unwilling to take much of it in, until he finally called uncle and stepped out of the thread. I also note in his “apology” about “misunderstanding” my post and Velocity’s post “at 3am”, that based on posting times, he must live somewhere in the mid-Atlantic. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2313 "2021-01-11T21:59:57Z")
You really should go in and give a counterargument, rather than just talking about it here, as the posters don’t seem to have thought to check here first. It’s always where I go if someone is accused of trolling, as this is where the evidence will be. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2314 "2021-01-11T22:06:31Z")
And of course you’d ignore all the LW people who disagree with the moderation. Hari seems like a decent guy and mod but his habit of putting some snarky personal opinion into his rulings does stand out. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2315 "2021-01-11T22:26:31Z")
> [@FigNorton](#): > > {…} Hari seems like a decent guy and mod but his habit of putting some snarky personal opinion into his rulings does stand out. Oh my, where’s my fainting couch? If only there was a long-standing tradition of mods being snarky in warnings we could look back on, but, alas no… ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2316 "2021-01-11T22:29:35Z")
I’m starting to wonder if some dopers just _like_ being trolled. I guess it’s someone to talk/lecture at. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2317 "2021-01-11T22:32:15Z")
Well, everyone likes a dumb person to explain things to or make fun of. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2318 "2021-01-11T22:54:42Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > You really should go in and give a counterargument, rather than just talking about it here, as the posters don’t seem to have thought to check here first. It’s always where I go if someone is accused of trolling, as this is where the evidence will be. No thanks. I don’t have a counterargument, I only have my own observations and the subjective conclusions that arise from them, The thread appears to be appropriately dying, and the poster in question has said he is going to go back to lurking (perhaps to learn a better bag of tricks). This incident is closed as far as I’m concerned. If this poster pops up again and is noticed by someone who reads this thread, it will have served its purpose. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2319 "2021-01-11T23:49:00Z")
Huh? Yeah, you do. You have what you said in this very thread. You pointed out that your interpretation of the thread is very different from what they are claiming happened. That’s a counterargument. I have to admit I don’t understand this sort of thing. You’re all fired up calling this guy a troll, but when it seems they may get their warning reversed, you don’t want to at least make sure that your argument is given a fair shake before the decision is made. It’s why I found it so weird that someone asked if I reported someone I thought was a sock. Of course I did. Why wouldn’t I? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2320 "2021-01-11T23:53:45Z")
> [@Chingon](#): > > I’m starting to wonder if some dopers just _like_ being trolled. I guess it’s someone to talk/lecture at. Guilty as charged, Your Honor (not about enjoying the trolling per se, but about never being able to resist an opportunity for a good 'splain). I am also utterly crap at being able to judge tone to detect when somebody is really trolling or just clueless. In fact, I suspect that a lot of so-called trolls really fall somewhere between the two categories: they’re not really sure of their ground but they’re afraid to expose their ignorance in an honest discussion, so they play it “ironically” by thinking they’re just pretending to ask dumb and/or controversial questions. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2321 "2021-01-11T23:59:44Z")
> [@FigNorton](#): > > Well, everyone likes a dumb person to explain things to or make fun of. Not always. I’m mean, you’re not that popular around here. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2322 "2021-01-12T00:01:13Z")
I was about to explain how lame that was but you’re not catching me, trolly mctroll. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2323 "2021-01-12T00:21:08Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Huh? Yeah, you do. You have what you said in this very thread. You pointed out that your interpretation of the thread is very different from what they are claiming happened. That’s a counterargument. That’s not an argument, that’s an opinion. > [@BigT](#): > > I have to admit I don’t understand this sort of thing. You’re all fired up calling this guy a troll, but when it seems they may get their warning reversed, you don’t want to at least make sure that your argument is given a fair shake before the decision is made. > > It’s why I found it so weird that someone asked if I reported someone I thought was a sock. Of course I did. Why wouldn’t I? There is a difference between reporting bad behavior to the mods (I reported the lies about what my post said, which I believe got the mod wagon rolling) and arguing to all and sundry about whether someone is a troll or not. If you have evidence of something, by all means report it. But I don’t feel obliged to jump into every argument about who is a troll, as the decision-makers are fully capable of reading the thread and making up their own minds. This one has been warned and the thread closed. I doubt if either of those will be rescinded, but if they are, it’s not a tragedy. I’m not especially fired up about them being a troll. I was more fired up about them lying about my post (and then pretending it was a misunderstanding). ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2324 "2021-01-12T04:48:54Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > Not always. I’m mean, you’re not that popular around here. C’mon, who doesn’t like CarnalK? I’ve heard that some people even liked RealityCheck71 and Crunched\_Frog as well. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2325 "2021-01-12T09:16:10Z")
Some people just love the sound of their own voice. “No, I’m fighting ignorance” – LOL ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2326 "2021-01-12T14:52:17Z")
It’s that Canadian way that they say “sorry”. Of course, I’ve never heard any of his trocks say that word. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2021, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2327 "2021-01-12T15:07:52Z")
Yeah, that was some pretty powerful JAQing. No way that wasn’t a troll. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=115) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=117)