# Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349 "2020-06-27T06:30:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 126
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2508 "2021-01-28T14:00:36Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > make you realise that people can have good intentions and still disagree. Literally everyone ever had good intentions. You know what they say about the road to hell. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2509 "2021-01-28T14:12:09Z")
I know _I_ always communicate my good intentions with a little namecalling… 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2510 "2021-01-28T16:07:42Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Everyone else was out of that thread because you, DA, ZS, and others are so exhausting and willfully ignorant. iiandyiiii is only going to post the same devastating arguments so many times before giving up. Arguing with DA is like arguing with a brick wall – no new information will ever get through to him. ⬆ What **RitterSport** posted, And **DemonTree** , you are also confirming that yes, when I called you for your JAQing off, that was called for indeed. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2511 "2021-01-28T16:52:14Z")
The only thing devastating about iandyi’s arguments is how devastatingly feeble they are. Debating him really is like talking to a brick wall. And I don’t think you know what JAQing off means, **GIGObuster**. Educate yourself please. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2512 "2021-01-28T16:56:44Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Literally everyone ever had good intentions. You know what they say about the road to hell. How’s the weather down there? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2513 "2021-01-28T17:03:29Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > And I don’t think you know what JAQing off means, **GIGObuster**. Educate yourself please. I know what it means, thank you very much. What you need to educate yourself is that most posters do not agree with you. That is the reality and that you are supporting a few idiotic posters. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2514 "2021-01-28T17:48:33Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I know what it means, thank you very much. What you need to educate yourself is that most posters do not agree with you. That is the reality and that you are supporting a few idiotic posters. I know most posters don’t agree with me. So what? The fact a bunch of people believe something does not make it correct - millions of Americans believe Trump won the election, and they are all wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2515 "2021-01-28T17:50:29Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > …millions of Americans believe Trump won the election, and they are all wrong. Thank-you. Corroborated. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2516 "2021-01-28T17:51:24Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > The only thing devastating about iandyi’s arguments is how devastatingly feeble they are. Debating him really is like talking to a brick wall. I wonder why you spent so much time engaging with me, and occasionally even agreeing with me, then? Just a few examples (of actual discussion and engagement) out of dozens and dozens: > [@What's the point of political correctness?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-point-of-political-correctness/919689/118): > > Here, iiandyiiii, is another problem with political correctness. This is not really my problem, but one I have heard conservatives complain about. It’s that progressives seem to have tender care for the feelings of minorities, for example those potentially upset by seeing the word ‘master’ used for a password, but if anyone complains these changes are making their lives more difficult, that they are confused by them, feel anxious and insecure, or just don’t see the benefit, they get told to buck… > [@Identity, politics, and the in-fighting of the left](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identity-politics-and-the-in-fighting-of-the-left/843199/470): > > Okay, maybe saying you’re not listening isn’t fair. But I feel like we’re going in circles at this point. Either cancel culture isn’t real, or it’s not a problem, or you don’t have any influence on it. Do you honestly think there’s any point continuing the discussion? > [@Identity, politics, and the in-fighting of the left](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identity-politics-and-the-in-fighting-of-the-left/843199/622): > > And I expect anyone who disagrees will be called a bigot themselves, so it’s impossible to disprove. (Gotta admit you did a bang up job with the Romany, though.) True. But I’ve seen plenty of people on here say they couldn’t possibly compromise on any of their principles, and if that means the Democrats lose again, so be it. Can’t remember if you were one of them, but that shows they don’t really think Trump is such a big deal. > [@What's the point of political correctness?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-point-of-political-correctness/919689/88): > > Here’s an example. I wouldn’t have called anything ‘ethnic’ because that’s not really a thing in the UK, but I didn’t know what the (politically) correct term for afro-textured hair was. So maybe I would try and guess a descriptor, or risk using a name that might get me frowned on, or maybe I would avoid discussing it at all. This is a particularly trivial example, true. But I feel like this kind of worrying about offending people adds up and makes me act less natural and comfortable around wha… I guess honest, thoughtful disagreement doesn’t seem possible to you any more? I wonder why? ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2517 "2021-01-28T18:05:30Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I guess honest, thoughtful disagreement doesn’t seem possible to you any more? I wonder why? Too much hitting my head against a brick wall. ☹ (And perhaps I should have limited my statement to your arguments in that thread.) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2518 "2021-01-28T18:08:54Z")
Why is it that, on multiple occasions, you’ve said something sweeping and negative about me, and then later taken it back? Maybe you’re jumping to conclusions without evidence? Maybe you’re dumping assumptions you have about those whose views you don’t like on anyone who stridently disagrees with you, whether or not they’re accurate in that particular instance? Whatever it is, hopefully you can take it as another lesson learned. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2519 "2021-01-28T18:15:24Z")
Do you _really_ want me to answer that? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2520 "2021-01-28T18:16:12Z")
It’s the Pit, you should go wild ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2521 "2021-01-28T18:16:43Z")
It would be like kicking a puppy… ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2522 "2021-01-28T18:19:03Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > It would be like kicking a puppy…. That’s what the PIT is for! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2523 "2021-01-28T18:30:49Z")
I served on a submarine and survived an at-sea collision; on top of a full time job I’ve been taking care of a baby (half the work, or probably more accurately, slightly less than half) for the last 7 and a half months or so; I’ve been physically attacked by muggers in the streets of Honduras (and, alone and unarmed, successfully drove them off!)… I think I can handle whatever piddly insults you’re capable of. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2524 "2021-01-28T18:39:48Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > The only thing devastating about iandyi’s arguments is how devastatingly feeble they are. Forgot to note that this is the laziest and most pathetic misspelling of my user name I think I’ve seen. No big deal, just amusing – most of the time it’s too many i’s in front. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2525 "2021-01-28T18:42:08Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I served on a submarine and survived an at-sea collision; Which boat? (If you don’t mind saying) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2526 "2021-01-28T18:47:41Z")
If you were in the navy, shouldn’t it be AyeAyeAndyAyeAyeAyeAye? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2527 "2021-01-28T18:52:56Z")
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