# Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349 "2020-06-27T06:30:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 135
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2688 "2021-02-10T04:58:29Z")
> [@MrMrmrmr](#): > > No, I like being in his head. You’re in his head in pretty much the same sense a booger is. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2689 "2021-02-10T09:16:44Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > You’re in his head in pretty much the same sense a booger is. And just as keen to get picked. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2690 "2021-02-10T11:35:42Z")
> [@MrMrmrmr](#): > > You think of me. That’s nice Pull your pants up, you sick fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2691 "2021-02-10T12:29:40Z")
> [@MrMrmrmr](#): > > No, I like being in his head. In the works of Pynchon, a predominant concept is the concept of patriarchialist consciousness. The main theme of the works of Pynchon is the absurdity of submodern sexual identity. Therefore, Lyotard promotes the use of surrealism to attack and modify society. An abundance of patriarchialisms concerning not discourse, as Bataille would have it, but prediscourse exist. Thus, von Ludwig states that we have to choose between the posttextual paradigm of context and the semioticist paradigm of consensus. The example of surrealism depicted in Burroughs’s _The Ticket that Exploded_ is also evident in _Port of Saints._ Therefore, Marx suggests the use of the posttextual paradigm of context to challenge class divisions. The characteristic theme of Finnis’s analysis of precultural rationalism is the role of the writer as artist. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2692 "2021-02-10T13:58:32Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > An abundance of patriarchialisms concerning not discourse, as Bataille would have it, but prediscourse exist. If one examines predialectic cultural theory, one is faced with a choice: either accept Debordist image or conclude that academe is intrinsically responsible for hierarchy. The example of the patriarchialist paradigm of context prevalent in Gaiman’s _Black Orchid_ emerges again in _Neverwhere_ , although in a more neodialectic sense. Therefore, the premise of Debordist image suggests that society has intrinsic meaning, given that consciousness is equal to sexuality. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2693 "2021-02-10T14:06:37Z")
I’m not convinced those “thuses” and “therefores” are appropriately signposting a coherent and organic dialectic flow (unless of course you’re siding with Lyotard in the first place, in which case: well-played, sir/madam/other). ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2694 "2021-02-10T14:13:33Z")
More people understood that than I did. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2695 "2021-02-10T14:14:37Z")
It’s just [Babel](https://xkcd.com/2421/). ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2696 "2021-02-10T14:20:04Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > In the works of Pynchon, a predominant concept is the concept of patriarchialist consciousness. The main theme of the works of Pynchon is the > absurdity of submodern sexual identity. > > Therefore, Lyotard promotes the use of surrealism to attack and modify society. An abundance of patriarchialisms concerning not discourse, as Bataille would have it, but prediscourse exist. > > Thus, von Ludwig states that we have to choose between the posttextual paradigm of context and the semioticist paradigm of consensus. The example of surrealism depicted in Burroughs’s _The Ticket that Exploded_ is also evident in _Port of Saints._ > > Therefore, Marx suggests the use of the posttextual paradigm of context to challenge class divisions. The characteristic theme of Finnis’s analysis of precultural rationalism is the role of the writer as artist. And La Fontaine can get knotted. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2697 "2021-02-10T14:50:33Z")
Laughs, lacanically. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2698 "2021-02-10T15:19:45Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > More people understood that than I did. More people have read that than I have. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2699 "2021-02-10T15:25:15Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > More people have read that than I have More people have been to Russia than I have ---
**Author:** ![SingleMalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/singlemalt/32/3961_2.png) [@SingleMalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SingleMalt)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2700 "2021-02-10T16:38:59Z")
If you examine the logistics and heuristics of the mystics, You will find that their minds rarely move in a line. So it’s much more realistic To abandon such ballistics And resign to be trapped on a leaf in the vine. -Eno ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2701 "2021-02-10T17:30:20Z")
I bow to **74westy** ’s superior reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2702 "2021-02-10T18:52:28Z")
Prior to excavation, the postcranial elements were in either full or semi-articulation and none had been transported for any distance from the rest of the carcass ([Fig 3](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0138352#pone-0138352-g003)), suggesting that burial occurred before substantial decay or scavenging could occur. By contrast, the cranial elements were disarticulated and scattered within a small area. This, in combination with some movement of the pectoral girdles and forelimb elements suggests that some elements were potentially moved from their original skeletal positions by gentle hydraulic action before final burial ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2703 "2021-02-13T04:47:55Z")
Troll spotted in the Joss Whedon thread. Pretty obvious, not particularly imaginative. Biden liberals blah blah blah. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2704 "2021-02-13T18:38:19Z")
Huge whiff of sockery in the [Joss Whedon](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-that-happened-whedons-history-of-creating-toxic-and-hostile-work-environments/932735) thread. First up, **FriendlyCunningham** err **Curmudgeon** [I can’t stop parsing his handle as the former for some odd reason] does his little threadshit. Then I see **TiberiusNeroClaudius** come wandering in after the mod note (which was directed at all, not just Richie there), and get warned. The 1st one’s avatar is of a Roman-toga’ed man with olive branches around his ears. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2705 "2021-02-13T20:54:20Z")
Don’t worry, the moderators fixed the problem by saying you’re not allowed to talk about anything other than Whedon. I’m sure the thread will gallop along now that we can’t talk about any comparable stories. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2706 "2021-02-13T20:55:33Z")
It’s a shame. There’s a larger and more substantive conversation to be had there. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/2707 "2021-02-14T04:05:25Z")
Certainly there is. But that’s a different thread. Start that convo if you wish and drop a link to it into the Whedon thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=134) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=136)