# Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349 "2020-06-27T06:30:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 160
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/3190 "2021-04-17T22:17:31Z")
See, this is why I don’t think Figgy is Carnalk, Carnalk was never such an attention seeker. But, I could be wrong of course. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/3191 "2021-04-17T22:18:26Z")
Why is it attention seeking to bag on someone in this thread? Everyone is doing it. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/3192 "2021-04-17T22:20:04Z")
Seriously? You don’t see you posting style as attention seeking? Strange. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/3193 "2021-04-17T22:21:18Z")
It’s one of the many inconsistencies of the board. Of course, it won’t be explainable but that’s a feature not a bug. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/3194 "2021-04-17T22:22:35Z")
I really don’t see what I’m doing differently than what naita has said to me in the past and what they’re saying to Hajario in this thread. What is so unassuming about naita’s style, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/3195 "2021-04-17T22:26:55Z")
It isn’t this thread that makes me think you attention seeking, it is your overall posting everywhere. Actually I just barely recognize **naita** but in a short time you’ve made yourself very well known to the regulars of the board. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/3196 "2021-04-17T22:30:06Z")
I do prefer to talk when I think an important minority position is being poorly put forward. I generally only pipe up for majority opinion when I think an important aspect is being missed, which happens a lot less often. I’m not a contrarian, I merely find being the tenth guy to agree very boring. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/3197 "2021-04-17T22:34:15Z")
Interesting self-assessment. How you actually come across to others is as a bit of an asshole who frequently seeks attention. You may want to have a look at how your words are actually being perceived and if your intentions are coming across clearly in the written format. Probably you’re much better at this in person. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/3198 "2021-04-17T22:36:50Z")
Well, I’m not pretending that I’m not often antagonistic. Usually I guess I feel like I’m pushing back against a too self satisfied attitude when I do that. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/3199 "2021-04-17T23:19:41Z")
You’re the guy I often disagree with but that IMO doesn’t make you a troll. It just makes you the guy I often disagree with. My 2c. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/3200 "2021-04-17T23:32:25Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > **Haj** lost his cool, but **BigT** came off as the bigger idiot with his post above calling **Haj** a troll. I do not agree. **They did the very thing that the thread was complaining about.** I can maybe see that the first one was just losing their cool, as it was just one word, “histrionics.” But when they came back and pulled the “you don’t really want it” bullshit, that was too on the nose. That’s literally the bullshit the OP was decrying. If someone makes a thread about hating something, and everyone agrees it’s bad, and you unironically do that very thing more than once, it’s hard for me to accept that isn’t trolling–at least by the standards we use here, where trolls can still be sincere. And, again, they referred to the poster as having PTSD. That’s a mental illness. Either they actually think they have that illness, and were being a shithole to them for it, or they were using the accusation as an insult. Neither of those is okay, and pretending that it can happen just because you’re angry is utter, complete bullshit. It’s the type of shit that got **Shodan** recognized as trolling another poster. You do NOT ever use PTSD or any other mental illness in a mocking manner around me. I’ve ended friendships over that nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2021, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/3201 "2021-04-17T23:45:51Z")
The reference to shodan is not true. Shodan got dinged because of inconsistency and the inability of folks to read. And if hajario is not an ettin I’m pretty sure he’s a singular entity. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/3202 "2021-04-18T00:05:14Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Shodan got dinged because of inconsistency Nah, Shodan got a pass on years of intermittent trolling because of inconsistency. When the anti-troll enforcement tightened up, Shodan unsurprisingly hit the filter. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/3203 "2021-04-18T00:06:44Z")
That’s revisionist history. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/3204 "2021-04-18T00:13:39Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That’s revisionist history It’s a historical fact that Shodan had mod warnings for trolling before his banning, and that several posters had complained about the trollishness of his behavior for a long time. Reasonable people can have different opinions on what constitutes banworthy levels of trollishness, but an opinion doesn’t become “revisionist history” just because it differs from yours. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/3205 "2021-04-18T00:15:12Z")
**FigNorton** sez: > [@](#): > > Well, I’m not pretending that I’m not often antagonistic. Usually I guess I feel like I’m pushing back against a too self satisfied attitude when I do that. That’s vaguely reminiscent of the way **Starving Artist** described his posting style back when he was new. You know, the whole _I give back what I get_ thing. That said, I want to be crystal clear that I do **NOT** suspect **FigNorton** of being a reboot of **Starving Artist**. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/3206 "2021-04-18T00:16:46Z")
It’s revisionist history to deny that he got dinged with a double standard because ‘reasons’. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/3207 "2021-04-18T00:19:37Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > That said, I want to be crystal clear that I do **NOT** suspect **FigNorton** of being a reboot of **Starving Artist**. Not likely. Unless Starving Artist suddenly got about 20 times smarter. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/3208 "2021-04-18T00:32:29Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s revisionist history to deny that he got dinged with a double standard As I said, just because you don’t like an opinion that differs from your own doesn’t mean that the other opinion is “revisionist history”. Whether Shodan’s banning was fair is a matter of opinion, not of demonstrable historical fact. You certainly haven’t produced any facts to support your own opinion on the subject, just whines that people who disagree with you are “revisionist”. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Not likely. Unless Starving Artist suddenly got about 20 times smarter. Seriously. We shall not look upon his like again, let us devoutly hope. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2021, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/3209 "2021-04-18T00:36:04Z")
Right… The sticky on top of this forum is evidence to the contrary. Shodan’s banning was the result of a series of farcical events. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=159) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=161)