# Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349 "2020-06-27T06:30:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 236
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4723 "2021-09-11T16:31:37Z")
They should read some history. That’s how human beings work. It’s not about right or wrong (and for the record, killing people because they are wealthy is morally wrong and I strongly oppose it) – it’s that it’s inevitable when exploitation and inequality rise to a certain level. The world would be a better place if those exploiters and manipulators recognized this truth about human history, and started to support progressive policies because they don’t want this to happen again. I put it this way because appealing to their sense of decency or humanity has no chance of success. But maybe appealing to their sense of self-preservation and fear could work. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4724 "2021-09-11T16:33:03Z")
100%. I knew if we had enough beers we could sort this out. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4725 "2021-09-11T16:33:45Z")
So what, specifically, that I wrote do you disagree with? Do you think DemonTree’s characterization of my post as “extreme” is correct? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4726 "2021-09-11T16:33:58Z")
Texas is gonna write the French Revolution out of the history books so we don’t need to argue about this anymore! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4727 "2021-09-11T16:36:11Z")
Awww… we were just having a moment there. Yes, I think the implication, even if hyperbolic, that fear and lethal force is a remedy for what ails society is an extreme position and should not be advocated. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4728 "2021-09-11T16:39:59Z")
There was an implication that “fear” could be this remedy, but no implication that lethal force would be this remedy. Violent revolution by the masses rarely, if ever, works out well for anyone (except the new power structure). But it’s inevitable when exploitation and inequality reach a certain level. Please read my post again, and tell me specifically what words/phrases you disagree with or think are “extreme”. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4729 "2021-09-11T16:40:40Z")
I’m going to need more beer… ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4730 "2021-09-11T16:41:48Z")
…or less bullshit knee-jerk skepticism of strident language (or perhaps just _my_ strident language), and less benefit of the doubt provided to lying trolls like DemonTree. Maybe more reading comprehension too. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4731 "2021-09-11T16:43:54Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Yes, I think the implication, even if hyperbolic, that fear and lethal force is a remedy for what ails society is an extreme position and should not be advocated. Not trying to gotcha: is there a qualifier in there (“except for when the fear and lethal force is part of the government”) that I should be assuming? Or are you opposed to the use of fear and lethal force as part of policing and criminal justice and military protocol? Or is it something else? ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4732 "2021-09-11T16:43:56Z")
Isn’t the quote: “Those who make peaceful evolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable (or words to that effect)” what we’re talking about here? I thought it was pretty self-evident. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4733 "2021-09-11T16:44:25Z")
Yes, exactly. That seems rather clear to most of those participating in this discussion. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4734 "2021-09-11T16:45:01Z")
Now you’re just trying to pick a fight. I was explicit in what I agreed with you about. Why is that unacceptable to you? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4735 "2021-09-11T16:45:32Z")
Because you still put in the bullshit that I was implying lethal force was a remedy (as opposed to a sad inevitability if exploitation and unfairness continue to rise). Come on – you know this history, don’t you? Is it really a mystery what I was getting at? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4736 "2021-09-11T16:49:38Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Not trying to gotcha: is there a qualifier in there (“except for when the fear and lethal force is part of the government”) that I should be assuming? Or are you opposed to the use of fear and lethal force as part of policing and criminal justice and military protocol? Or is it something else? I think we’re talking about lethal remedies for the billionaire “problem”. If we’re now switching gears and talking about an authoritarian government, then it’s a different problem and I believe it requires a different solution. I’m hardly a pacifist, if that’s what you’re asking. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4737 "2021-09-11T16:55:32Z")
What the fuck? Is there a reason this revolution conversation needs to happen in the trolls thread versus wherever you started it? We were just ending the endless Max/rape tangent. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4738 "2021-09-11T16:56:45Z")
Because some weirdo decided to come defend the lying troll DemonTree’s lies and trolling. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4739 "2021-09-11T17:00:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Come on – you know this history, don’t you? I certainly do. I know what it means to live under a post revolutionary authoritarian state. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Because you still put in the bullshit that I was implying lethal force was a remedy (as opposed to a sad inevitability if exploitation and unfairness continue to rise). Because you’re still trying to bullshit your way out of the fact that you did exactly that: _‘I’m not saying that some unfortunate incident might befall your dog if I find shit on my lawn again, Mrs. Travers…but you know the tragic history of the Jones’ poodle…’_ ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4740 "2021-09-11T17:02:37Z")
My post and intent were clear to just about everyone else here, but be a stubborn jackass if you want. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4741 "2021-09-11T17:02:44Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Because some weirdo… WTF? Are you an 8 year old?.. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4742 "2021-09-11T17:03:07Z")
Apologies if I hurt your feelings. You’re not a weirdo, you’re a very special boy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=235) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=237)