# Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349 "2020-06-27T06:30:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 237
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4743 "2021-09-11T17:11:12Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > Eventually SenorBeef and BigT will get tired of typing long dissertations at each other, and Octopus will get tired of dropping turds. It’ll die out soon enough. Well, one of those things might be true. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > Just to be clear… nobody is getting a pony. Stop asking. B-but the whole room is full of shit, there MUST be a pony in here SOMEWHERE!!! 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4744 "2021-09-11T17:11:15Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > My post and intent were clear to just about everyone else here… _Look! Everyone else agrees with me!_ Grow the fuck up and stop counting your “likes”. This isn’t a popularity contest. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4745 "2021-09-11T17:13:32Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > B-but the whole room is full of shit, there MUST be a pony in here SOMEWHERE!!! 🤣 FTW! 🏆 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4746 "2021-09-11T17:13:55Z")
I don’t know if they agree with me, but they correctly interpreted my post. You didn’t. You consistently misinterpret my posts, and you’re just about the only one (aside from a lying troll or two). Counting up whether people understand my intent or not is the _best way to determine if my post was written in a way that readers will understand_. Unless you have another suggestion? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4747 "2021-09-11T17:18:46Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Right, and since we have little recourse or legal means to separate them from their money, let’s separate their heads from their bodies instead. Was Robin Hood the bad guy in your childhood? The problem comes from when the wealthy and powerful control the law, they control what recourse you could have. At a certain point, yeah, it needs to be pointed out that we do outnumber them significantly, and that money and power only protect you so far. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > The point isn’t whether people agree (and I do, fwiw) that billionaires could stand with better regulation to enforce much needed social responsibility, it’s the way you propose we go about it. How do you go about it if they control all the ways to go about it. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > So while you’re waiting for her to admit she agrees with you, perhaps you could take this opportunity to agree that public beheadings are probably a bad socio-economic policy. No, public beheadings are a sign of a failed socio-economic policy. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4748 "2021-09-11T17:19:20Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Unless you have another suggestion? I do actually. I think many people here agree with your sometimes extreme left wing views. Which is fine. I agree with some of them as well. When I don’t, I try to explain to you why I find them problematic. You seem to be offended when I do and prefer to think it’s because I misunderstand you rather than disagree with you. Not sure how to help you with that except to suggest to you to take me at my word. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4749 "2021-09-11T17:20:41Z")
I’m not at all offended or even bothered when you disagree. I’m bothered when you consistently misinterpret what I said. My frustration with you is your consistent misinterpretation, and misrepresentation, of my posts. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4750 "2021-09-11T17:27:08Z")
I’ve created a new Trolls R Us thread since this one is clearly done. > [@Trolls R Us Resurrections](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections/950518): > > I don’t have any trolls to report but we’ve completely lost our last troll thread, so I’m hoping we can start again with a new one while the old one devolves into the same group of people bickering. If you see any actual trolling going on, this is where to discuss it. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4751 "2021-09-11T17:27:36Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > No, public beheadings are a sign of a failed socio-economic policy. Very well then. Come the revolution, I hope we’re all on the right side of the wall. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4752 "2021-09-11T17:31:38Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Like, you’ve literally got 10’s of millions of people (and they are hardly all fatcat billionaires) in the USA who hate and fear progressives and the policies you’re talking about, so… you want to do that more? The trick to being rich and keeping anyone from coming for your money is to get the people to fight eachother. Toss a sandwich to a half dozen starving people, and they will fight eachother for that sandwich, rather than you for putting them in that position. People are given something to hate, and that is progressives. They don’t hate the policies, they don’t even know the policies. Most of the time, you ask about specific policies, and they will agree that those sound good. But, once you put a D in front of the name on the bill, people hate it, because they have been taught and conditioned to hate progressives by the very people that are actually hurting them. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > Where as I would like for the masses not to come kill me because someone signalled to them that there are circumstances under which it’s okay to kill those who have amassed greater wealth and power. No, they come kill you and take your stuff because they are starving, and you have food. We have lots of ways of making sure that no one in the US actually starves, even if they may be quite miserable in many other ways. You know why? It’s not because we care about them, it’s because starving people will come kill you for your food. iiandyiiii is not signallying to them that there are circumstances under which is’t okay to kill those who have amassed greater wealth and power, he is warning you that there are times when people _will_ kill those who are more fortunate. That they will start with people like us, rather than those who are most fortunate, is actually one of the features that protects the wealthy and powerful. You will feel the fear of being killed for what you posses long before the wealthy and powerful do, and all iiandyiiii is saying is that it would be nice if the wealthy and powerful shared in that fear, rather than being immune to it. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4753 "2021-09-11T17:32:42Z")
Be a real shame if someone quoted this as showing your support for a revolution that includes putting people ‘up against the wall’. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4754 "2021-09-11T17:50:01Z")
I appended the title of this one. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4755 "2021-09-11T17:50:27Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > iiandyiiii is not signallying to them that there are circumstances under which is’t okay to kill those who have amassed greater wealth and power, he is warning you that there are times when people _will_ kill those who are more fortunate. That they will start with people like us, rather than those who are most fortunate, is actually one of the features that protects the wealthy and powerful. You will feel the fear of being killed for what you posses long before the wealthy and powerful do, and all iiandyiiii is saying is that it would be nice if the wealthy and powerful shared in that fear, rather than being immune to it. Very well then. I will consider this to be the more generous and insightful explanation of his position. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4756 "2021-09-11T17:59:46Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > fear and lethal force is a remedy for what ails society You just described our justice system. But, to be serious, all of civilization ultimately boils down to violence. We behave “civilly” towards eachother because we know that if we do not, then people will come and be violent towards us. We dress it up, and the more layers we have before violence is resorted to, the more “civilized” we are, but ultimately, that’s what it all comes down to. It is not an extreme position to recognize this. Before democracy, if the leaders feared the people, it was a fear of an uprising and execution of the leaders. Then they had the great idea of implementing a democracy, where we can voice out displeasure with a ruler a bit more peacefully. The wealthy do not have such an outlet. We cannot decide that we no longer want them to be bribing politicians to let them break the rules, we cannot decide that we no longer want them to fund propaganda that turns a people against itself. We don’t get a vote on who is wealthy and powerful, so they operate under the same rules as rulers did before we could vote them out. The point is that the wealthy and powerful should want to change things for the better for the people _before_ things get to the point of a violent overthrow, and they should fear allowing things to get to that point. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4757 "2021-09-11T18:06:38Z")
I’ll probably be a brick in that wall. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4758 "2021-09-11T18:08:12Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > But, to be serious, all of civilization ultimately boils down to violence. We behave “civilly” towards eachother because we know that if we do not, then people will come and be violent towards us. We dress it up, and the more layers we have before violence is resorted to, the more “civilized” we are, but ultimately, that’s what it all comes down to. I’m aware and agree with the view that civility and the social contract is a thin veneer of what lies beneath. That is why I am sensitive to suggestions that would permit the lifting of that veil and encourage violence. We’ve just witnessed how easy it is to create that kind of mob frenzy. It behooves us to learn from that experience. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4759 "2021-09-11T18:08:20Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > …rape debate… Keeps on giving! ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4760 "2021-09-11T18:09:38Z")
I will have a very different visceral reaction between people storming the Capitol, and people storming the country club. In fact, during the whole “occupy wall street” debacle, I was trying to get some momentum behind “occupy golf courses.” I saw that less than a block from where OWS demonstrations were being held in Cincinnati, there was a bus line that let out right next to the gated community that Boehner lived in. I thought it would be quite a different message if they went and occupied and protested on the golf course in his backyard than in the streets blocking traffic and businesses. Unfortunately, that didn’t go anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4761 "2021-09-11T18:12:05Z")
I feel like you wouldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4762 "2021-09-11T18:15:46Z")
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