# Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349 "2020-06-27T06:30:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 246
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4923 "2021-09-15T20:35:38Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > This is like us complaining about schools teaching that the Earth is flat and you saying “Look, maybe the teaching wasn’t adequate but kids _were_ taught about geography”. If the kids are coming away not only ignorant but actively misinformed, that’s a _bad_ thing. No, this is like Andy claiming with no evidence the right wants to teach kids that the earth is flat and asking if I agreed with that. A gotcha, in other words. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4924 "2021-09-15T20:37:12Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > No, this is like Andy claiming with no evidence the right wants to teach kids that the earth is flat and asking if I agreed with that. A gotcha, in other words. Another lie from a fucking liar. Yawn. Why make such obvious lies? These things can be checked, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4925 "2021-09-15T20:38:03Z")
Well we certainly have plenty of evidence that racists want to teach a racist version of history and to actively block a more realistic version they don’t like from being taught. And we also know which side you support. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4926 "2021-09-15T20:41:18Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Another lie from a fucking liar. Yawn. > > Why make such obvious lies? These things can be checked, you know. You’re nuts. This is literally what you wrote: > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yes, the right doesn’t want details of slavery and racism taught in schools. The left does. Do you agree with the right on this, or the left? ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4927 "2021-09-15T20:42:21Z")
**iiandyiiii** didn’t mention anything about the earth being flat in the post you just quoted. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4928 "2021-09-15T20:42:45Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > **iiandyiiii** didn’t mention anything about the earth being flat in the post you just quoted. That was a response to my analogy. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4929 "2021-09-15T20:43:11Z")
🤨 You do understand what an analogy is…? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4930 "2021-09-15T20:44:17Z")
As I noted in the post above yours (presumably posted while you were typing), there _is_ quite a lot of evidence that the right don’t want the actual details of slavery and racism taught in schools. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4931 "2021-09-15T20:46:05Z")
Well then, @iiandyiiii should have shown that evidence rather than simply asserting something that conflicts with my own experience and demanding I pick a side. Why on earth should I trust his word? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4932 "2021-09-15T20:46:11Z")
You lie so often that it’s impossible to tell what’s just another DemonTree lie and what’s a figure of speech (or something else). It wasn’t clear to me that this was an analogy, but whatever. Either way, stop making shit up about me. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4933 "2021-09-15T20:48:37Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Well then, @iiandyiiii should have shown that evidence rather than simply asserting something that conflicts with my own experience and demanding I pick a side. Why on earth should I trust his word? Plenty of evidence _in this thread_. Speaking of which, still wondering where you saw those examples of CRT you mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4934 "2021-09-15T20:48:46Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You lie so often that it’s impossible to tell what’s just another DemonTree lie and what’s a figure of speech or whatever. It wasn’t clear to me that this was an analogy, but whatever. Either way, stop making shit up about me. I don’t lie. I really thought your condemnations of people claiming there are sex differences would include Pinker, and still don’t see any difference. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4935 "2021-09-15T20:49:16Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > I don’t lie. There’s one now! ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4936 "2021-09-15T20:50:19Z")
It seemed like you [made an analogy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4922), then **DemonTree** countered it’s more than an analogy by [claiming **iiandyiiii** had actually written ‘the right wants to teach kids the earth is flat’](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4923), then **iiandyiiii** [calling **DemonTree** a liar](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4924). Maybe it’s my reading comprehension failing me again. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4937 "2021-09-15T20:50:32Z")
Another lie! Cite that I made any condemnations of the extremely broad category of “people claiming there are sex differences”, and be _very fucking specific_. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4938 "2021-09-15T20:52:11Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Another lie! Cite that I made any condemnations of the extremely broad category of “people claiming there are sex differences”, and be _very fucking specific_ . I already linked to what you said. That is what I mean. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4939 "2021-09-15T20:53:59Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > It seemed like you [made an analogy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4922), then **DemonTree** countered it’s more than an analogy by [claiming **iiandyiiii** had actually written ‘the right wants to teach kids the earth is flat’](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4923), then **iiandyiiii** [calling **DemonTree** a liar](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4924). I was countering @Gyrate’s analogy with my own, and wrote a parallel of what Andy actually said. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4940 "2021-09-15T20:54:53Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > It seemed like you [made an analogy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4922), then **DemonTree** countered it’s more than an analogy by [claiming **iiandyiiii** had actually written ‘the right wants to teach kids the earth is flat’](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4923), then **iiandyiiii** [calling **DemonTree** a liar](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4924). > > Maybe it’s my reading comprehension failing me again. > > ~Max I read it the same way. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4941 "2021-09-15T20:57:50Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I read it the same way. You both need to read more carefully. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4942 "2021-09-15T20:58:59Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > There’s one now! 🤷‍♀️ You can say what you like, it doesn’t make it true. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=245) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=247)