# Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349 "2020-06-27T06:30:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 247
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4943 "2021-09-15T21:00:06Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Speaking of which, still wondering where you saw those examples of CRT you mentioned. Only iiandyiiii has to provide evidence! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4944 "2021-09-15T21:00:35Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø You can say what you like, it doesnā€™t make it true. Right back atcha. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4945 "2021-09-15T21:03:54Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Only iiandyiiii has to provide evidence! Only @iiandyiiii was asking a gotcha question. Iā€™m not interested in rehashing the subject. > [@Gyrate](#): > > Right back atcha. šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø I canā€™t make you listen or understand. And none of what we say changes reality. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4946 "2021-09-15T21:22:05Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Iā€™m not interested in rehashing the subject. Soā€¦no evidence then. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4947 "2021-09-15T21:26:22Z")
Fap fap fap fap. Lookie! Everyone is talking to me! I am not an invisible loser like mom says I am! ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4948 "2021-09-15T21:32:48Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Soā€¦no evidence then. You seriously want another CRT in schools thread? Really, truly and honestly? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4949 "2021-09-15T21:36:57Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø I canā€™t make you listen or understand. And none of what we say changes reality. And yet you do your best to change reality through repeated misrepresentation. Which I know because I listen and understand. > [@DemonTree](#): > > You seriously want another CRT in schools thread? Really, truly and honestly? _Now_ youā€™re concerned about this, just when youā€™ve been asked for evidence? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4950 "2021-09-15T21:44:53Z")
Well, yes, she is, because she canā€™t keep the conversation on one topic. If she allowed that, it would be even more clear what a gaslighting idiot she is. She has a clear pattern: say something provocative, maintain that people have misunderstood her, and pivot to a different argument rather than actually producing any evidence. Mind you, in that model the rest of us are simply unable to understand her clear and articulated arguments. Sheā€™s a troll. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4951 "2021-09-15T22:08:40Z")
When youā€™re a morally-bankrupt liar, you might as well play to your strengths. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4952 "2021-09-15T22:13:37Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > And yet you do your best to change reality through repeated misrepresentation. Which I know because I listen and understand. Thatā€™s stupid. No one can change reality. I talk about stuff I have seen, like the genetics thing. How people shy away from the subject, cling to the environmental explanation, claim itā€™s impossible to prove, or demand an unrealistic standard of evidence that they donā€™t apply to any other area. And if you bring up the subject in reference to any trait, they leap straight to talking about scientific racism. But itā€™s 1000 little things that combine to give that impression. How am I supposed to prove it? > [@Gyrate](#): > > _Now_ youā€™re concerned about this, just when youā€™ve been asked for evidence? You want me to waste a lot of time finding evidence on a subject that someone else brought up, and which Iā€™m not interested in discussing. Why the hell should I? I linked to a couple of examples in the CRT thread - find them yourself if you care so much. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4953 "2021-09-15T22:15:52Z")
Do you _ever_ have anything useful to say? Or are you another one of the tiresome posters who only exists to take potshots and waste other peopleā€™s time? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4954 "2021-09-15T22:41:10Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > who only exists to take potshots and waste other peopleā€™s time? Welcome to ~~my~~ the club @Sunny_Daze! ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4955 "2021-09-15T22:43:06Z")
šŸ˜ 1 ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4956 "2021-09-15T22:45:17Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > I was countering @Gyrateā€™s analogy with my own, and wrote a parallel of what Andy actually said. Maybe next time, include the word _if_ so it is clear you arenā€™t actually accusing **iiandyiiii** of making a baseless claim. _No, this is like **if** Andy claimed with no evidence the right wants to teach kids that the earth is flat and asking if I agreed with that. A gotcha, in other words._ ~Max ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2021, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4957 "2021-09-16T01:32:55Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > > [@Max\_S](#): > > > > It seemed like you [made an analogy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4922), then **DemonTree** countered itā€™s more than an analogy by [claiming **iiandyiiii** had actually written ā€˜the right wants to teach kids the earth is flatā€™](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4923), then **iiandyiiii** [calling **DemonTree** a liar](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4924). > > I was countering @Gyrateā€™s analogy with my own, and wrote a parallel of what Andy actually said. That was pretty clear to me. And while his ā€œDo you agree with the right on this?ā€ was at the least, mistimed,\* your inclusion of **ā€œwithout evidenceā€** (wrt the right not wanting an accurate accounting of the history of slavery being taught, not the flat earth thing) was kind of egregious. **iiandyiiii** ā€™s statement about the right opposing the teaching of the true history of American slavery has been well-supported by a number of examples in this thread, so when you want to make an analogy about it, calling his assertions ā€œwithout evidenceā€ smacks of disingenuousness. \*it might have been clearer had he said: ā€œ **Yes, the right doesnā€™t want details of slavery and racism taught in schools. The left does. _Do you dispute this?_** ā€ ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2021, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4958 "2021-09-16T02:29:58Z")
Thanks. Interesting. Not **my** branch of Democrats it seems. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4959 "2021-09-16T16:22:57Z")
Oh, shit, I came in here to complain about the rash of threads Iā€™ve been involved in which have been full of non-Americans arguing with Americans the conditions of our own country. Thereā€™s one thread about housing costs in rural areas that seems to be largely dominated by some Australian with a Google link telling us that house pricing and the lack of new construction is not a problem, and a bunch of people saying ā€˜no, I live here, itā€™s a fuckinā€™ problem.ā€™ And, yes, the ā€˜I know America well, I watch your moviesā€™ comment. Holy shit, thatā€™s like saying all I know about France I learned from PePe LePew, so letā€™s debate French housing policy. ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2021, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4960 "2021-09-16T16:26:19Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Oh, shit, I came in here to complain about the rash of threads Iā€™ve been involved in which have been full of non-Americans arguing with Americans the conditions of our own country. I was involved in another thread with an American and a (supposedly) Brit arguing the implementation of a Canadian lawā€¦ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=246)