# Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349 "2020-06-27T06:30:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2020, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1066 "2020-09-27T15:59:43Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You’ve been around long enough to get a feeling about posters. Yup. I’d be shocked if **razordance** somehow turns into a reasonable poster with value-added contributions. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2020, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1067 "2020-09-27T16:39:23Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Fair enough. I didn’t read the whole thread. I read the OP, which is what was quoted for this thread, and which was relatively unobjectionable. If someone wants to give an example of trolling, then quoting the actual trollish posts, or describing the actual trollish behavior, would probably be a good start. O.K. > [@So what if Roe v. Wade is overturned?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/5): > > My Grandma makes pink prophylactics > She punctures the ends with a pin > My Grandpa does bootleg abortions > My God, how the money rolls in! > [@So what if Roe v. Wade is overturned?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/7): > > _ing_ ring\* “Hello, Phil’s Abortion Agency! You rape 'em, we scrape 'em, no fetus can beat us!” > > OK, OK, wipe the vomit off your shoes, but that actually seemed funny in the 1970s – just like, “Did you hear about the new federally-funded no-frills abortion kit?! A hungry rat on a string!” After I said that his posts are quickly revealing where he stood on the issue: > [@So what if Roe v. Wade is overturned?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/so-what-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/921653/9): > > On the side of anything singable. Even “The Marching Song of the Waffen-SS.” Or even, “Dixie,” which is arguably worse. (What exactly is “Injun batter,” anyway?) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2020, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1068 "2020-09-27T16:44:49Z")
razordance also has his “why are the gayz associated with pink because it is straight guys who love them some pink” thread. And he got an (obvious) warning in CF in the Cuties thread. ---
**Author:** ![Acierocolotl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acierocolotl/32/6241_2.png) [@Acierocolotl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acierocolotl)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2020, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1069 "2020-09-27T16:54:11Z")
I’m buying what you’re selling. In this “What would a space battle look like right now?” which razordance started, he’s offered up gems like, “What if we used force fields” and “how about space marines?” I should have known better but I do like to do a bit of performative outrage. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2020, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1070 "2020-09-27T16:59:33Z")
And now he has been banned for trolling. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2020, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1071 "2020-09-27T17:04:31Z")
Won’t be long until his reprise. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2020, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1072 "2020-09-27T17:58:58Z")
He opened a Puerto Rico Statehood thread in GD a couple days back. Those who know my record on the Board may have noticed I did not jump right in on the subject, and it was partly out of concern for how it would go with that source; also, partly out of a desire to see and hear what _others_ think and say before showing up to lay down some unsolicited Puertorrosplaining. It looks like it turned into yet another Trump thread. ---
**Author:** ![Acierocolotl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acierocolotl/32/6241_2.png) [@Acierocolotl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acierocolotl)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2020, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1073 "2020-09-27T18:20:45Z")
To misquote Lao Tzu, “The dumbass that trolls twice as hard stays here half as long.” ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2020, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1074 "2020-09-27T18:21:41Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Yup. I’d be shocked if **razordance** somehow turns into a reasonable poster with value-added contributions. And now we’ll never know… ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2020, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1075 "2020-09-27T18:34:34Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You’ve been around long enough to get a feeling about posters. You know the type. Absolutely. And having seen some of the other things this guy was saying, I’m perfectly happy to concede that he was a troll. But I’m not going to make that assumption about someone if all the evidence I’ve got is one quoted post that is, by itself, completely unobjectionable. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2020, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1076 "2020-09-27T21:11:31Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > But I’m not going to make that assumption about someone if all the evidence I’ve got is one quoted post that is, by itself, completely unobjectionable. I find people generally wait until there’s an abundance of reason for suspicion and post the one that is the latest in the line. But by all means, do your own due diligence. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1077 "2020-09-28T14:23:18Z")
Ex-poster **razordance** tripped my trouble alarm from the git-go: > [@Civil unrest post-election?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/civil-unrest-post-election/920804/7): > > Aside: It’s interesting to me how many of your flurry of OPs amount to sounding like a reasonable centrist worried that sliding slightly left would be far worse than turning hard right. Usually containing the word “concerned”. IOW, IMO he started as more of a “concern troll” than a flaming jerk. And he was smart enough to not be completely clueless or brain dead about his OPs. Any one of them in isolation would have been innocuous enough. It looks to me like he started feeling his oats a bit too much and finally with the abortion thread let his inner jerkitude come shining out when his earlier efforts to sow arguing just resulted in our usual wall of sensible, full-length, if rather partisan, responses. Either that or he finally had a posting session while wasted. In any case, his banning is no loss for the rest of us. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1078 "2020-09-28T17:47:08Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > The SDMB is indeed a wondrous place, full of talking animals, as well as assorted trolls, sea lions, and other marvelous creatures. Although [with the disappearance of the last known sea lion here about nine months ago](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-is-banned/844679) and with no further confirmed sightings, the species is presumed to be extinct. New sighting: noted contrarian **j** ive **tur** key in the GQ thread about police bribery. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1079 "2020-09-29T08:51:31Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Although [with the disappearance of the last known sea lion here about nine months ago](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hurricaneditka-is-banned/844679) and with no further confirmed sightings, the species is presumed to be extinct. Check out the “Donald Trump, Tax Evader” thread and MrMrrmmrmrwhatever. There’s a cluster of posts, but Post 178 (if I’ve counted correctly) is one of the most sealionest things I’ve seen here in a while. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1080 "2020-09-30T00:11:03Z")
And now :drumroll: the latest entry in “Who Wants to Be a Sealion”: > [@Donald Trump, tax avoider](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/338): > > Are you or are you not going to show what laws may have been broken by Trump, and what the evidence is. > [@Donald Trump, tax avoider](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/339): > > Try to keep up. See #334. > [@Donald Trump, tax avoider](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/341): > > I am here to state opinions and also to learn, believe it or not. So, show me a law that may have broken in Trump’s dealings with Ivanka. > [@Donald Trump, tax avoider](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/342): > > I can’t believe Lance won’t just answer! > [@Donald Trump, tax avoider](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/349): > > Try to keep up. See #334. > [@Donald Trump, tax avoider](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/345): > > **Lance\_Turbo** , it has been nice discussing things with you. But it’s gotten tiring, especially having to waste 3 seconds of my life reading where you think I use “fun house mirrors” and the like. You have no intention of giving me any respect, and you live by the snide comment. I am done talking with you. > [@Donald Trump, tax avoider](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/356): > > Do enlighten me to who has done trash talking in this thread. I am truly interested. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1082 "2020-09-30T00:49:56Z")
Is this addressed to me? If so, you could have at least acknowledged the most obvious example of trolling in the thread, where Lance\_Turbo made his usual snide comment to me: > [@](#): > > This is such an inaccurate summary of MSNBC and CNN’s coverage that I can only assume you watch cable news reflected in a funhouse mirror if you do indeed watch it at all. If it was not addressed to me specifically, then that’s fine too, but let the record show that I was not the troll. Anything that appeared to be trolling by me was a response to similar snide comments. Not trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1083 "2020-09-30T00:52:44Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > Not trolling. I agree. You’re obviously sealioning, which is what I said at the top of the post to which you replied and we don’t seem to have a thread dedicated to sealions. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1084 "2020-09-30T01:15:48Z")
I make a statement. Lance doesn’t like it, but instead of engaging me as to why my statement was wrong, he makes a snide comment about me and fun house mirrors. I _respectfully_ tell him that he may be right, but I don’t think so. As he otherwise gave no details about anything , I had nothing else to say to him. The he responds again and makes the claim that there is plenty of evidence. That’s when I ask him to show the evidence. He gave none, but instead came back with another snide comment, telling me to “keep up”. This is not sealioning, but thanks for teaching me a new term. As for my comment saying I am done talking with Lance, you have no idea to the extent to which he pulls this shit all the time. I am finally fed up with it, and no longer will engage with him. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1085 "2020-09-30T02:17:31Z")
You are thick as fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1086 "2020-09-30T08:41:22Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > I make a statement. Lance doesn’t like it, but instead of engaging me as to why my statement was wrong, he makes a snide comment about me and fun house mirrors. I _respectfully_ tell him that he may be right, but I don’t think so. As he otherwise gave no details about anything , I had nothing else to say to him. The he responds again and makes the claim that there is plenty of evidence. That’s when I ask him to show the evidence. He gave none, but instead came back with another snide comment, telling me to “keep up”. This is not sealioning, but thanks for teaching me a new term. Yes, it’s a [useful term to know](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning). > [@](#): > > **Sealioning** (also spelled sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment which consists of pursuing people with persistent requests for evidence or repeated questions, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=55)