# Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349 "2020-06-27T06:30:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1087 "2020-09-30T12:10:23Z")
Nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1088 "2020-09-30T15:33:07Z")
You were given evidence over and over and over. You: 1. Do not apparently understand what the word “evidence” means 2. Refused to even acknowledge those posts 3. Keep asking for “evidence” It’s patently obvious bullshit, or you are just that stupid. OR both. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1089 "2020-09-30T16:04:43Z")
This is the **Fiddle\_Peghead** brand. He has seen no evidence that: - Trump has ever been involved in money laundering - Trump is a Russian asset - The Trump campaign colluded with Russia - Trump obstructed justice - Trump pressured Zelensky - The Trump admin has hamstrung the post office - Trump cheated on his taxes - and much, much more No. Evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1090 "2020-09-30T16:05:50Z")
I hear the cave on Mars he’s been living in for the last several years is lovely, though. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1091 "2020-09-30T16:14:15Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > or you are just that stupid A while ago I invited people to call me stupid (and also crazy or naive, as I remember), and you are the first to actually do so. At least I _think_ you are doing that. Thanks for your honest opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1092 "2020-09-30T16:30:57Z")
Well, you could be a shitty troll, and not as stupid as you are appearing to be. I try to keep an open mind. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1093 "2020-09-30T17:44:59Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Well, you could be a shitty troll, and not as stupid as you are appearing to be. I try to keep an open mind. You may try to keep an open mind, but you are failing miserably. In the Trump tax avoider thread, you said this: > [@](#): > > “Proof beyond any conceivable doubt, that would convince me personally, given that I think Trump is the embodiment of perfection.” In numerous threads, I have stated that Trump is a horrible person and a horrible president. I have never once suggested that he is _any-the-fuck-where_ near perfection. Now, I guess it could be that you have a horrible memory, and don’t remember me saying these things. In that case, I would accept an apology for your ridiculous assumption. But if you do remember, then I would also accept a retraction. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1094 "2020-09-30T17:49:20Z")
Fuck off Troll. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1095 "2020-09-30T17:53:18Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > I have never once suggested that he is _any-the-fuck-where_ near perfection. You’re constantly defending him. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1096 "2020-09-30T17:55:06Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Fuck off Troll. Why so mean? He’s just trying to have a civil conversation. Would you mind showing him evidence of any positive thing he has said about Trump? There’s no need to raise your voice. He’s just curious if you have any sources to back up your opinion. Are you simply unwilling to have a reasoned discussion? ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1097 "2020-09-30T17:58:42Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You’re constantly defending him. I am not “defending” him. I am stating, when I think appropriate, that some charges made against him are unfounded. That is all. There is a big fucking difference. I mean, don’t you agree? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1098 "2020-09-30T18:00:17Z")
I can’t think of any charge against him that’s not unfounded. Care to name even one from a reputable source? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1099 "2020-09-30T18:01:00Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > > Well, you could be a shitty troll, and not as stupid as you are appearing to be. I try to keep an open mind. > > You may try to keep an open mind, but you are failing miserably. In the Trump tax avoider thread, you said this: > > > [@](#): > > > > “Proof beyond any conceivable doubt, that would convince me personally, given that I think Trump is the embodiment of perfection.” > > In numerous threads, I have stated that Trump is a horrible person and a horrible president. I have never once suggested that he is _any-the-fuck-where_ near perfection. Now, I guess it could be that you have a horrible memory, and don’t remember me saying these things. In that case, I would accept an apology for your ridiculous assumption. But if you do remember, then I would also accept a retraction. Wow. Your quote completely misrepresented what @Euphonious_Polemic said. FYI, here is the post that came from. > [@Donald Trump, tax avoider](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/336): > > > [@Donald Trump, tax avoider](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-tax-avoider/921696/334): > > > > This is evidence that Trump broke the law… > > I think that when some here say “What is the evidence that Trump has broken laws” > > What they are actually asking for is not “evidence” but rather “Proof beyond any conceivable doubt, that would convince me personally, given that I think Trump is the embodiment of perfection.” ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1100 "2020-09-30T18:01:19Z")
I generally find you to be reasonable. Why can’t you just say you made an incorrect implication about me? ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1101 "2020-09-30T18:03:32Z")
I know exactly where that post came from. I had just read it. But if you can convince me that Euph WASN’T referring to me as someone who thinks Trump is the embodiment of perfection, I’ll retract. He doesn’t seem to want to reply about it. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1102 "2020-09-30T18:05:54Z")
I have to admit I haven’t been following the minutiae, but the way you quoted just that made it seem that @Euphonious_Polemic believed it. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1103 "2020-09-30T18:13:34Z")
Being 100% honest, at this point, no _I do not_. When I do, all I ever get is grief for my good intentions. I try to have discussions about politics that are interesting to me. Lots of people, and sometimes even myself, like to talk about Trump’s enormous failings. But in general, participating in those discussions from that viewpoint bores me. So when I see someone make a claim about Trump that I don’t agree with, I’ll respond to it. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1104 "2020-09-30T18:16:43Z")
If I understand you, you are saying that I didn’t quote enough, and gave the wrong impression about what he said? I don’t think so, but if so, I would retract it. He doesn’t seem to want to make it clear he wasn’t talking about me, though, so I’m sticking with my original post. I mean, come on. Who responds with “Fuck Off” if they have something relevant to say? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1105 "2020-09-30T18:25:48Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > So when I see someone make a claim about Trump that I don’t agree with, I’ll respond to it. … with lies, misrepresentations, and more than a little good old fashioned ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1106 "2020-09-30T18:26:39Z")
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