# Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349 "2020-06-27T06:30:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1127 "2020-09-30T21:16:39Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > But here I am truly wishing Euph a nice day. I would ask though, since he has not made clear why he thinks I believe that Trump is the embodiment of perfection, how come you aren’t addressing him about bad-faith arguments? I hope you can see why comments like that evoke images like this for many of us: [![](https://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/kpbx/files/styles/x_large/public/201709/la-me-ln-california-sea-lion-crisis-20150218.jpg) ](https://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/kpbx/files/styles/x_large/public/201709/la-me-ln-california-sea-lion-crisis-20150218.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1128 "2020-09-30T21:46:19Z")
How did this debate tactic come to be associated with sea lions? I am curious. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1129 "2020-09-30T21:47:45Z")
From [here](http://wondermark.com/1k62/). ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1130 "2020-09-30T21:52:13Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > > [@running\_coach](#): > > > > You’re constantly defending him. > > I am not “defending” him. I am stating, when I think appropriate, that some **charges** made against him are **unfounded**. That is all. There is a big fucking difference. I mean, don’t you agree? See, the problem, from my POV, is that the two emphasized words have different connotations, depending on the circumstances in which they’re used. “Charges,” for instance, has a vastly different meaning when used in the criminal justice system from what it means when used in a bull session in which people are discussing exactly to what degree the President is a fuckface. So does the word “unfounded.” The connotation I get when “unfounded” is brought up by a defense attorney in a criminal probe (or trial) is _“based on such a flimsily-constructed sequence of allegations, assumptions, and speculations that an accusation of prosecutorial misconduct isn’t out of the question.”_ In the bull session described above, I tend to think “unfounded” means something closer to “made up out of whole cloth” or “pulled out of [someone’s] ass.” Since this message board is closer to the bull session, than it is to the criminal justice system, the use of “unfounded” really ought to be confined to situations of rectal extraction. Within that framework of understanding, can you provide an example of some **charges** made against him that are **unfounded**? TIA ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1131 "2020-09-30T21:59:20Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Within that framework of understanding, can you provide an example of some **charges** made against him that are **unfounded**? As I said before I’m not interested in getting into such a discussion right now, for the reasons I stated earlier. As for _all_ of your post before what I quoted above, that makes pretty good sense to me. But I just made that response with the idea of letting running\_coach know that I have no interest in making excuses or otherwise lessening in any way accusations against Trump because I admire him, or for any other reason, other than I think that some of the things people contend are simply wrong. I did not put a lot of thought into the words “charges” and “unfounded”. I hope this makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1132 "2020-09-30T22:16:17Z")
Methinks he doth protest too much. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1133 "2020-09-30T22:30:15Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > > Within that framework of understanding, can you provide an example of some **charges** made against him that are **unfounded**? > > As I said before I’m not interested in getting into such a discussion right now, for the reasons I stated earlier. As for _all_ of your post before what I quoted above, that makes pretty good sense to me. But I just made that response with the idea of letting running\_coach know that I have no interest in making excuses or otherwise lessening in any way accusations against Trump because I admire him, or for any other reason, other than I think that some of the things people contend are simply wrong. _ **I did not put a lot of thought into the words “charges” and “unfounded”.** _ I hope this makes sense. Yeah, it does. These things happen. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1134 "2020-09-30T22:56:01Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Yeah, it does. These things happen. Thanks for ignoring the actual substance of what I wrote, so you could make your little joke. I was trying hard to be polite, because I agree with most of what you wrote. It was a truly civil response to me, and I appreciated it. Oh well, so much for the idea that even in the pit two people could continue with a civil discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1135 "2020-09-30T23:00:11Z")
Methinks, no, make that meknows, that I don’t really care what youthinks, unless you explain why youthinks what youthinks. Isn’t that how it should work around here, even in the Pit? ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1136 "2020-09-30T23:52:55Z")
Welp, one more for the ignore list @Fiddle_Peghead. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1137 "2020-10-01T00:14:44Z")
As ASL\_v2.0 won’t see this, please ask him for me if you have a chance, why he singled me out for ignoring, and not the rest of the Dopers exhibiting trolling/sealioning behavior in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1138 "2020-10-01T00:28:27Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > > Yeah, it does. These things happen. > > Thanks for ignoring the actual substance of what I wrote, so you could make your little joke. I was trying hard to be polite, because I agree with most of what you wrote. It was a truly civil response to me, and I appreciated it. Oh well, so much for the idea that even in the pit two people could continue with a civil discussion. I really don’t know what your beef is with my post. I accept that you recognize your choice of wording was suboptimal, and your response did make sense to me. Please accept my regret at the clumsiness of my attempt to communicate that fact. I shall endeavor to be more clear in the future. I’ll state plainly that I do NOT view you as a troll. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1139 "2020-10-01T00:32:08Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I really don’t know what your beef is with my post. I interpreted “Yeah, it does. These things happen” as a snide comment, and not literally. I deeply and humbly apologize to you for this. I should not have jumped to that conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1140 "2020-10-01T00:33:47Z")
Hey, are we all supposed to sing Kumbaya now? This is the fucking Pit, show a little effort, dammit! ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1141 "2020-10-01T00:34:19Z")
Your dog is ugly. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1142 "2020-10-01T00:34:51Z")
Oh, zinger 😉. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1143 "2020-10-01T01:01:05Z")
**FP** : Why call yourself **Fiddle\_Peghead** when that’s a banjo? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1144 "2020-10-01T02:02:01Z")
All this time I thought it was “Pighead” which put me in mind of Lord of the Flies. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1145 "2020-10-01T04:14:25Z")
Trolls be well fed in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2020, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1146 "2020-10-01T04:47:29Z")
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