# Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349 "2020-06-27T06:30:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 76
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1507 "2020-10-30T14:53:03Z")
While there is some useful and nuanced discussion that can be had on the tendencies of collectivism to also be exclusionary, I do not think that that is the point of the thread. I think the point of it is to prove hypocrisy on the part of the left, by taking something that the left luvs (communism) and equating it to something that the left hates (white people). ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1508 "2020-10-30T14:55:04Z")
Marx-style Communism is the ultimate majoritarian regime. Which could be construed as Slav-supremacist in 1910s Russia, Han-supremacist in 1950s-2000s China, and as white-evangelical-supremacist in 2020s USA. Lenin-Stalin-Xi style Communism is simply crony kleptocracy / authoritarianism with Marx as a fig-leaf of varying thick/thin-ness. Which doesn’t strictly _need_ a racist component. But it always helps keep the proles on-side to give them something to hate other than their true oppressors. Whether that’s Tatars, Uighers, or blacks. The important thing with this guy is he’s something we see out in the USA today: folks are being fed so many nonsense narratives from so many competing sources of mischief. Now everybody, sane or crazy, stupid or smart, is free to construct their own syncretic version of the underlying actual situation. He might be one of a kind in his specific interpretation. But there are 100+million equally crazy interpretations taking shape out there. That way lies ungovernability. And not by accident is this occurring. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1509 "2020-10-30T14:55:25Z")
And let’s not forget that not all Booglaoo boys are the same, but apparently all lefty’s are. I’m so damn exhausted. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1510 "2020-10-30T15:00:05Z")
> [@Salamaaaa](#): > > I am okay with communism not being white supremacist becuase I already proved stalin supported south Africa. Okay, at this point, I’m not sure what the hell point he’s trying to make. I suspect he isn’t, either. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1511 "2020-10-30T15:02:39Z")
Speaking of trolls, that’s what most of the white supremacists at BLM rallies are doing anyway, or sowing anarchy as it might have been put previously. The only one I can think of that espoused pro-police-reform views is Ammon Bundy, and I’m not 100% certain he’s a WS even though he’s okay enough with them to hang out with them which certainly is good enough for government work. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1512 "2020-10-30T15:05:40Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > Okay, at this point, I’m not sure what the hell point he’s trying to make. I suspect he isn’t, either. I’m still parsing it as “BLM are all Communists, Communists are all white supremacists (and vice versa), therefore BLM are white supremacists”. No, it doesn’t make sense but that’s the argument being made. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1513 "2020-10-30T15:10:07Z")
But that’s ignoring the elephant in the room: lizard people. Until I see a satisfactory explanation of how the lizard people fit in, I’m extremely skeptical of any so-called theory. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1514 "2020-10-30T15:22:01Z")
This is, quite literally, one of the most ridiculous things I’ve read in the last twenty minutes. Elephants are mammals thus warm-blooded. Lizards are reptiles and thus cold-blooded. Therefore, it is impossible for lizard people to be the elephant in the room. Boom! Case closed, QED, ipso facto, que sera, sera. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1515 "2020-10-30T15:37:55Z")
Just as an amusing tangent: [Elephant and lizard](https://metro.co.uk/2010/07/14/elephant-shows-lizard-a-swinging-good-time-447132/). ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1516 "2020-10-30T16:10:14Z")
Semi-serious question: Can we add signature blocks or taglines or whatever to automatically append to our posts? Because I kinda want my motto to be, “I am ok with communism not being white supremacist becuase I already proved stalin supported south Africa.” There’s a certain haunting beauty in its Zen surrealism. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1517 "2020-10-30T16:25:22Z")
Apparently, Apartheid ended in the 50s. Gosh, glad I missed _that_, then. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1518 "2020-10-30T17:12:01Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Apparently, Apartheid ended in the 50s. Gosh, glad I missed _that_, then So you’re anti-apartheid? You must be a white supremacist, then. And a Maoist. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1519 "2020-10-30T17:22:58Z")
He’s been cornfielded. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1520 "2020-10-30T17:24:06Z")
That was quick; thread and all. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1521 "2020-10-30T17:47:40Z")
Yeah. Wonder if it’s close to the record for quickest trip from “Welcome to the Dope” to “Don’t let the cornstalks hit you in the ass on your way out”? For a non-spammer, I mean. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1522 "2020-10-30T17:50:09Z")
They usually don’t vaporize the thread unless it was clearly a sock of a recent banee. Hmm. Who else’s corpse is still cooling? ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1523 "2020-10-30T21:03:53Z")
Pretty sure there have been posters who were banned before they posted even once based on the username chosen. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1524 "2020-10-30T21:08:57Z")
I’ve banned many socks before they posted, occasionally immediately after registering. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1525 "2020-10-30T21:11:20Z")
One of the most surprising things I learned during my brief stint as a mod is how aggressively some people dedicate themselves to trolling the Dope. Some of them work it like a full - time job. I can’t imagine what a sad life it must be to care so much about pissing off random internet strangers. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1526 "2020-10-30T21:19:04Z")
There have been some very persistent serial socks who keep it up over a period of years. The really obsessive ones have come back literally thousands of times. Fortunately, we haven’t had any like that for some time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=75) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=77)