# Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349 "2020-06-27T06:30:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 97
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1927 "2020-12-17T17:38:45Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > Once again, noone understand what the fuck you are saying. I once thought maybe english was your second language or something but nope. You’re just stupid. @GIGObuster, is English your second language? I was assuming so… ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1928 "2020-12-17T17:40:40Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Because white students are also notably underrepresented at the school according to share of the population, the lottery will replace a lot of better qualified Asian students with less qualified white ones. What do you call the sort of ‘affirmative action’ that does that? If that is so, then I have to modify my argument, although I did it before elsewhere. I think you missed the part where I noted that someday it may happen that whites will be a minority, then I do think they will justifiably use it. The stupid part of your argument still depends on ignoring that it is about the diversity a school would get in an specific neighborhood. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1929 "2020-12-17T17:42:37Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > @GIGObuster, is English your second language? I was assuming so… I’ve always found that posters who complain about GIGO’s English are not nearly as smart as he is. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1930 "2020-12-17T17:43:55Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > People who are intellectually lazy often don’t interrogate their own beliefs. Like Trump, they decide on what they’d like to be true and then jump on that as what they believe. It’s far easier than self-skepticism. And it’s so lazy that it’s a form of dishonesty. Yeah, that’s fucking ironic. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1931 "2020-12-17T17:43:56Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > @GIGObuster, is English your second language? I was assuming so… Just more ignorance from the damur. More than once I have reported that English is my second language. You still want to follow him when it is clear that he is just insulting others and not dealing with the arguments? ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1932 "2020-12-17T17:45:18Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I’ve always found that posters who complain about GIGO’s English are not nearly as smart as he is. I never complained about his English… I assumed it was his second language. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Just more ignorance from the damur. More than once I have reported that English is my second language. You still want to follow him when it is clear that he is just insulting others and not dealing with the arguments? So what’s your first? Spanish? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1933 "2020-12-17T17:46:10Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > > > People who are intellectually lazy often don’t interrogate their own beliefs. Like Trump, they decide on what they’d like to be true and then jump on that as what they believe. It’s far easier than self-skepticism. And it’s so lazy that it’s a form of dishonesty. > > Yeah, that’s fucking ironic. Ironic that you would say this after your behavior in the Trans threads where you ignore the scientific consensus and actual research in favor of transphobic drivel that aligns with your prior beliefs, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1934 "2020-12-17T17:46:17Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > Anyway. Done with the pit for now. I don’t think the pit is useful for anything other than dogpiling on anyone that disrupts the echo chamber. Whine, whine, whine. You sure you’re not a dog? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1935 "2020-12-17T17:47:17Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > I never complained about his English… I assumed it was his second language. I wasn’t saying that you were the one who complained about his English. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1936 "2020-12-17T17:48:30Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Ironic that you would say this after your behavior in the Trans threads where you ignore the scientific consensus and actual research in favor of transphobic drivel that aligns with your prior beliefs, yes. My prior beliefs largely matched yours, but then I interrogated them, learned more about the subject, and changed my mind. But that’s only a good thing if one arrives at the ‘correct’, socially approved conclusions, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1937 "2020-12-17T17:49:27Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > My prior beliefs largely matched yours, but then I interrogated them, learned more about the subject, and changed my mind. But that’s only a good thing if one arrives at the ‘correct’, socially approved conclusions, isn’t it? . No, conclusions aren’t correct or not based on social approval. They should be based on factual evidence. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1938 "2020-12-17T17:49:37Z")
Fairy nuff. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1939 "2020-12-17T17:51:29Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > So what’s your first? Spanish? Duly noted that you avoided the question. You should notice that I did not rub into others faces that I’m a Hispanic immigrant (already a US citizen) with social studies and history background that drifted into technology and education later in life. You should be glad that I do not teach Language arts, because I do know my limitations. Comprende? ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1940 "2020-12-17T17:51:31Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > No, conclusions aren’t correct or not based on social approval. They should be based on factual evidence. Yes, they should. Even if the facts are uncomfortable ones, or don’t match your theories. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1941 "2020-12-17T17:55:51Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > No, conclusions aren’t correct or not based on social approval. They should be based on factual evidence. > > Yes, they should. Even if the facts are uncomfortable ones, or don’t match your theories Yep. For example, I used to be uncomfortable with trans people. Mostly because the general culture has always been very transphobic, and because the idea is so different from the way I feel about myself, and different = strange = scary. Since then, I grew up and went to college, where I started examining my ideas, and realized that other than prejudice I had no grounding for my feelings about trans people. I met some trans people, which made them less strange and alien, and my discomfort with the idea decreased. And trans people started gaining more inclusion in media, again making them more familiar. At some point, familiarity eased my discomfort to the point where I could rationally examine the facts, and I realized that trans women have never posed a significant threat to women. And so, I changed my mind. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1942 "2020-12-17T17:56:42Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Duly noted that you avoided the question. That was a serious question? I’m not ‘following’ him or anyone. I’ve disagreed with him on other subjects. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > You should notice that I did not rub into others faces that I’m a Hispanic immigrant (already a US citizen) with social studies and history background that drifted into technology and education later in life. You should be glad that I do not teach Language arts, because I do know my limitations. I suspected as much, I thought I recognised the turn of phrase. 🙂 But you may as well mention it if your background is relevant to the subject. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1943 "2020-12-17T17:58:54Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Since then, I grew up and went to college, where I started examining my ideas, and realized that other than prejudice I had no grounding for my feelings about trans people. I met some trans people, which made them less strange and alien, and my discomfort with the idea decreased. And trans people started gaining more inclusion in media, again making them more familiar. At some point, familiarity eased my discomfort to the point where I could rationally examine the facts, and I realized that trans women have never posed a significant threat to women. And so, I changed my mind. So what actual facts did you examine? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1944 "2020-12-17T18:00:11Z")
> [@damuriajashi](#): > > And you are a racist. You don’t think you are because your racism is hurting a group that you think is is doing well enough to handle a little racism. This is worth paying attention to, for anyone who is still questioning whether Damuri is worth talking with. I accused him of calling people racist if they support affirmative action. It turns out I gave him too much credit: he called me racist (and personalized it with a super-shitty accusation about my professional ethics) _because I suggested he called people racist_. How do I know that? Because _I never posted in his stupid fucking thread about the magnet school_. The mere accusation that he accuses people of racism for supporting affirmative action is enough to make him say I show “contempt…to the asian [sic] community in general.” There’s no effort whatsoever on his part to debate in good faith. Disagree with him? He flings shit at you. Alongside his halfwittery is Demontree’s lickspittlery, as she chimes in with **hur hur hur fucking ironic indeed.** Good show, trolls. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1945 "2020-12-17T18:03:55Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > I suspected as much, I thought I recognised the turn of phrase. 🙂 But you may as well mention it if your background is relevant to the subject. Well, I have found before that it does distract, specially when there are issues about racism, some past banned posters just assumed that I was therefore an idiot as I was the "wrong"race. As I can see, damur can’t help showing how racist he can get and just assume that I’m an idiot already. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1946 "2020-12-17T18:04:40Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Because _I never posted in his stupid fucking thread about the magnet school_ . You decided he was wrong without ever looking into it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=96) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=98)