# Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349 "2020-06-27T06:30:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 99
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1967 "2020-12-17T18:36:12Z")
I just scrolled up quite a long way. Did I even address him before he made his accusation? ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1968 "2020-12-17T18:38:48Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > The medical community’s research which overwhelmingly shows that allowing trans people to transition saves lives. > > The near total absence of any actual cases of trans woman on cis woman violence as opposed to numerous cases of trans people being victims of violence I don’t want to start another trans thread. If you actually care to challenge your opinion, I can send you some evidence. Do you want me to? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1969 "2020-12-17T18:39:10Z")
You said, about LHoD: “Like he said, you supposedly believe in structural racism, where something not intended to be racist nonetheless has racist effects, so why is it so hard to believe it might be happening in this case? Because it’s your ‘side’ who’re doing it? Because you don’t really believe what you say about unconcious bias? You _couldn’t possibly_ support a racist policy, because you’re the only person in the world immune to this stuff.” ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1970 "2020-12-17T18:41:00Z")
[https://www.livescience.com/19804-sea-lion-delisting-proposed.html](https://www.livescience.com/19804-sea-lion-delisting-proposed.html) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1971 "2020-12-17T18:41:09Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > I just scrolled up quite a long way. Did I even address him before he made his accusation? > [@DemonTree](#): > > > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > > > Because _I never posted in his stupid fucking thread about the magnet school_ . > > You decided he was wrong without ever looking into it. Yes… ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1972 "2020-12-17T18:43:01Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > The medical community’s research which overwhelmingly shows that allowing trans people to transition saves lives. > > > > > The near total absence of any actual cases of trans woman on cis woman violence as opposed to numerous cases of trans people being victims of violence > > I don’t want to start another trans thread. If you actually care to challenge your opinion, I can send you some evidence. Do you want me to? That depends. Is it the same discredited transphobic crap from the prior threads? If so, you’re welcome to send it, and I’ll let you know exactly why I consider those sources to be worthless. Otoh if you have something new, sure, I always want my opinion challenged. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1973 "2020-12-17T18:45:51Z")
Which was after his accusation, and in response to him scoffing at the idea a supposed affirmative action plan could be racist. This is the pit, not GD. (And why _is_ it so hard to believe?) ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1974 "2020-12-17T18:46:21Z")
So no, then. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1975 "2020-12-17T18:46:56Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > him scoffing at the idea a supposed affirmative action plan could be racist. This is the accusation you made without a cite or other support. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1976 "2020-12-17T18:48:04Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > So no, then. Oh I see, I thought you meant his accusation TOWARDS YOU. Which he made in response to your evidence free BS ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1977 "2020-12-17T18:48:37Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > And at that point DA was saying it was structural racism, not the personal-enmity kind. um… > [@damuriajashi](#): > > I feel sorry for your asian students because you obviously value their efforts and sacrifices less than your students of other races. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1978 "2020-12-17T18:48:50Z")
That’s what he did in his first post: > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I don’t give a wet fart about showing him he’s wrong any more. He’s a disingenuous asshole–a bit like you in this respect–and if booting him means that we won’t have anyone arguing the “NO BUT YOUR TEH RACIST FOR SUPPORTING AFFIRMATIVE ACTION” side of issues any longer, somehow we’ll struggle on. The trade-off is worth it, if it means getting rid of disingenuous assholes. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1979 "2020-12-17T18:49:38Z")
That’s not what you said. That’s something very different. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1980 "2020-12-17T18:49:39Z")
I already said it was him calling me disingenuous, which was totally unprovoked. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1981 "2020-12-17T18:50:06Z")
It wasn’t unprovoked. It was in response to you being disingenuous. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1982 "2020-12-17T18:50:11Z")
No, it was after you made a post about him without a cite or any other support. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1983 "2020-12-17T18:50:18Z")
This whole “who started it” isn’t especially important. If anyone other than damuri is unconvinced that DemonTree is a disingenuous asshole, I’m happy to clarify; but I think her behavior here amply demonstrates what she’s demonstrated elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1984 "2020-12-17T18:51:03Z")
He’s clearly dismissing the idea DA could be right. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1985 "2020-12-17T18:52:45Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > It wasn’t unprovoked. It was in response to you being disingenuous. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, it was after you made a post about him without a cite or any other support. I can’t find any post I made to or about him in this thread before he said it. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/1986 "2020-12-17T18:53:37Z")
> [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > > [@DemonTree](#): > > > > And at that point DA was saying it was structural racism, not the personal-enmity kind. > > um… > > > [@damuriajashi](#): > > > > I feel sorry for your asian students because you obviously value their efforts and sacrifices less than your students of other races. What part of ‘at that point’ don’t you understand? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=98) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349.md?page=100)