# Trolls R Us redux \[Now the argument clinic\]

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [June 27, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349 "2020-06-27T06:30:28Z")\
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**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-redux-now-the-argument-clinic/913349/4884 "2021-09-15T14:02:33Z")

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Here, I found it:

> [@The Ongoing Death of Free Speech: Prominent ACLU Lawyer Cheers Suppression of a New Book](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ongoing-death-of-free-speech-prominent-aclu-lawyer-cheers-suppression-of-a-new-book/925913/496):
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> So show how testosterone affects these things, scientifically. Let’s see the data. Not suppositions, but actual data. This won’t be easy – how does one measure inherent interest, or inherent ability, separated from cultural and societal influence, in STEM fields? Since it’s not easy, people shouldn’t make such claims without this actual data. Making a hypothesis is fine with me. But claiming that this is so, without evidence? Fuck those people. That doesn’t mean “these people are the scum of the Earth and aren’t worth the dirt on my shoe”. That means “these people made a really dumb mistake and should feel bad and ashamed about that mistake”. Fuck those people until they realize the dumb things they’re saying and doing. And telling them this to their face is part of the process. I’ve seen it work in person. Hell, it’s worked on me.

> [@The Ongoing Death of Free Speech: Prominent ACLU Lawyer Cheers Suppression of a New Book](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ongoing-death-of-free-speech-prominent-aclu-lawyer-cheers-suppression-of-a-new-book/925913/496):
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> I think making such claims without good evidence deserves social opprobrium. Supporting the “blacks are dumber” side deserves social opprobrium. Supporting the “women are inferior at STEM” side deserves social opprobrium. Even if one dresses it up in flowery, science-y sounding language. There’s no actual evidence for either claim.

> [@The Ongoing Death of Free Speech: Prominent ACLU Lawyer Cheers Suppression of a New Book](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ongoing-death-of-free-speech-prominent-aclu-lawyer-cheers-suppression-of-a-new-book/925913/502):
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> Depends on what claims they make and the evidence behind them. Are they hypothesizing? Fine with me. Are they saying women are definitely inherently worse at STEM, and men are worse at caregiving and teaching, without full data and understanding of all the factors that go into these things? That’s not so fine with me.

Naturally, Andy dismisses all evidence on the subject as inconclusive, so anyone making such claims is doing so without good evidence in his opinion.

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