# Trolls R Us Resurrections (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 11, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518 "2021-09-11T17:26:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 147
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7400 "2022-09-08T23:07:25Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > How exactly can you get “the rules prohibit a phrase such as “women and trans women”” I don’t get that, which is why I _also_ bolded the “is not required but can be helpful”. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7401 "2022-09-08T23:07:51Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > How exactly can you get “the rules prohibit a phrase such as “women and trans women”” from Pedantically, it logically implies that trans women are a _separate_ class from women, rather than a subset of women. In reality, it would only cause any offense if someone were _deliberately_ trying to imply that trans women are not women in some convoluted evasive way. (And that would never happen, of course!) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7402 "2022-09-08T23:08:27Z")
Ahem, the third person “you”. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7403 "2022-09-08T23:08:51Z")
Oh, sorry. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7404 "2022-09-08T23:11:04Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > The administration’s position is that generic “women” ~~shall~~ may include trans women. Huh? No, the unmodified word “women” DOES ALWAYS include trans women. The “not required” part is saying that you can refer to an individual as either a woman, or more specifically (when relevant) as a cis or trans woman. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7405 "2022-09-08T23:21:05Z")
As one must learn to expect, Ed’s writing of the rules leaves much so very, very, clear. [/s] ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7406 "2022-09-08T23:45:44Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > …So if the administration’s position is that generic “women” shall include trans women on these boards, I think it would be helpful to put that in the rules… Anyone else notice the recent three-week lull in pedantic nitpickery and overly-tedious dissection of the rules? That was nice. In other news, welcome back, Max. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7407 "2022-09-08T23:48:25Z")
Thanks, I had (have) stuff going on IRL. Though I will say, there’s a nifty timed ignore feature if you ever want another reprieve. Just go to [my profile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S) and change the dropdown from normal to ignored. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7408 "2022-09-09T00:04:03Z")
I have a high tolerance for signal to noise ratio (only two people on my ignore list), and you’re nowhere close to being ignored. I’ll continue to read your good posts and complain about the tedious ones (in the appropriate forum). ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7409 "2022-09-09T00:24:10Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > We sailors do that just to confuse people. > > You should look up what a snotter is Or a “cunt-splice”. Patrick O’Brian dropped that one in _Master and Commander_, to make a subtle dirty joke. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7410 "2022-09-09T02:49:44Z")
Two sailors, one marlinespike? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7411 "2022-09-09T02:58:26Z")
I have a marlinspike but not a marlinespike. I’ve builts oars, sprits, a boom, a mast and dozen of wooden cleats. Even packing tools out of scrap oak as we only had one packing iron. Then I helped build a new Tuckerton Sailing Garvey after we retired the old one to the Tuckerton Seaport Museum which is pretty damn cool. Sadly my Navy Ship is scrap having failed to raise money for the USS Ranger to become a museum near Portland. * * * Jebus, Im on my phone and failed to realize what thread this was. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7412 "2022-09-09T03:03:19Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Sadly my Navy Ship is scrap having failed to raise money for the USS Ranger to become a museum near Portland. My last ship has been an artificial reef for about 20 years. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7413 "2022-09-09T03:52:56Z")
I came in this evening, saw this thread with, like, ~150 new replies and thought “Holy fuck, it’s a veritable trollstravaganza!” No. Just another attempt by a net-negative poster to turn this into the “Trolls Is Meez” thread. If octo were on the kelvin scale, he’d break the laws of physics, just like he manages to break this thread about know-nothing losers by somehow knowing _less_ than nothing and actively seeking out ways to be worse and worse every single day that passes. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7414 "2022-09-09T04:15:40Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > A trans poster said that she had either attempted or planned to attempt suicide, to illustrate how bad the issues for trans people are. YWTF then came back and said that many people fake being suicidal to get their way. I think that was the sequence of about eight posts beginning with [this one.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-furore/855795/3150) IMHO there was a fair bit of callous defensiveness from a couple posters there, not only YWTF, shrugging off trans suicidality to avoid acknowledging that TERF anti-trans rhetoric can contribute to it. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7415 "2022-09-09T04:34:34Z")
That’s nice. Who are you? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7416 "2022-09-09T05:36:13Z")
So now octopus is openly promoting hate speech in the name of freedom of expression. You’ve sunk so low, you’re pathetic. You’re not even worth being mad at anymore. You’re an object of pity. You claim to be in favor of free speech but you’re full of shit. No you don’t. You have no actual ethics, you stand for nothing. You’re not even worth putting on ignore. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7417 "2022-09-09T07:53:24Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Sadly my Navy Ship is scrap having failed to raise money for the USS Ranger to become a museum near Portland. Big pity. I’m a big fan of wooden boatbuilding - been following [Tally Ho](https://www.youtube.com/c/SampsonBoatCo/about) for years. ---
**Author:** ![omenran](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omenran/32/3318_2.png) [@omenran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/omenran)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7418 "2022-09-09T08:32:03Z")
For similar veins of shipbuilding/refitting/remodeling I would recommend [Tales from a Shipwright](https://youtube.com/c/TipsfromaShipwrightvideos) and [Brupeg](https://youtube.com/c/ProjectBrupeg). Neither are warships, or very big boats even. Tips has done two skiffs and a scull(?) and is amid building a boat similar to Orca from Jaws. I haven’t seen much of Project Brupeg, but it’s the salvage/restoration/conversion of an older steel boat into a workboat thats been going on for a few years and hundreds of episodes by a small group/couple. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518/7419 "2022-09-09T09:00:22Z")
Also [Acorn to Arabella](https://www.youtube.com/c/AcornToArabella/about) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518.md?page=146) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections-part-1/950518.md?page=148)